Devout Catholic an arrogant title?

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Would it be arrogant to consider yourself a devout Catholic? I was thinking about this because the title carries across the message that you are a superior Catholic than other Catholics and the only one who has that judgement is God. What do you all think?
 
Being devoted doesn’t mean doing a better job. It means wanting to do a better job, trying to do a better job… not better than anyone else, but better than you might be inclined to do otherwise. It is not arrogant to say that you know what you want or that you know of someone who knows what they want.

So no, unless someone tells you that they are devout and you decide to argue with them, then calling yourself devout is not arrogant. And what you seek, may you find.
 
That is an interesting question…

Sometimes when I tell people who aren’t Catholic that I am Catholic, they try to relate and say that they know a Catholic. Sometimes they will say that this person they know is “a devout Catholic” when I ask them what they mean they know they say “oh, they have statues of the saints and a crucifix”. Sometimes it turns out that people like this are not really even prayerful, but just “Catholic by image” sometimes though, people with all those statues can also be very prayerful and devout…it depends. To someone outside the Catholic faith they can only see the persons outward appearance and judge them by this and since they may not be informed about the religion at all, they see a person who may not even go to church every Sunday as a devout Catholic just because they hear them bring up Jesus of Mary sometimes in converstaion…
I am finding that it is not best to even consider myself “devout”, I think it is best to leave that up to God. While we may notice we are more devout than what we see in some other Catholics, only God knows the other person’s heart, so we should just leave it to God. I also read in a book to beware of spiritual pride and that is something we should watch out for. We can however consider ourselves devout in the sense that we have a devotion to God and keep trying to better and eventually perfect ourselves through Our Lord…but just look at it from a subjective standpoint only (those who are good practicing Catholics in a state of grace or continually striving for it at least, may be considered devout I suppose, but to what degree is a whole different story.
I prefer to think of myself as the absolute worst Catholic there is…and that everyone else is better than me (which is hard when you see people leaving Mass early and being irreverant) but hopefully you can see my point…consider everyone better than you and let God be the one to exalt you in the end or whoever else may be devout.
However, never let this keep you from respectfully correcting people and posotively pushing others to become more devout.
 
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Brown10985:
Would it be arrogant to consider yourself a devout Catholic? I was thinking about this because the title carries across the message that you are a superior Catholic than other Catholics and the only one who has that judgement is God. What do you all think?
Dear Brown10985,

As flick427 said, that is an interesting question.

I looked up “devout” in a dictionary and found this definition: “believing strongly in a religion and obeying all its rules or principles”

Based on that, I’d have to say that claiming to be “devout” is somewhat arrogant. In my particular case, I have finally come to grips with the fact that I probably will forever be a “cafeteria” Catholic. I love the Church and plan never to leave her, but I have my criticisms of her, both in what she does and even in some cases what she teaches. I don’t agree with my wife on every issue but I love her; similarly I don’t agree with the Church on every issue but I love her. If she cannot deal with that, then she is at liberty to put me away. As it stands, I feel very alone because most Catholics will answer on surveys that they disagree with Church teachings, but won’t admit it if their identity is known – primarily out of fear and shame.

To those who say I should not then get Communion, I would ask if they claim to follow all rules to the letter, e.g. whether they are without sin. If not, then they had better get under the New Covenant, and continue to join the rest of us sinners at the table or they risk having no life within them.

Alan
 
devout is a descriptive adjective, modifying Catholic (when used as a noun), so to say “He is a devout Catholic” is simply to state a fact: “He professes the Catholic faith, is a member of the Catholic Church who believes all that the Church holds and teaches.” It is a statement of fact about him, not a comparison with others. Remember in some circles, to call someone a “devout Catholic” is considered a disparaging remark, and to call oneself a “thinking Catholic” is the arrogant put-down (see National Catholic Reporter and US Catholic magazine.) Kind of like “patriotic American”.
 
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AlanFromWichita:
Dear Brown10985,

As flick427 said, that is an interesting question.

I looked up “devout” in a dictionary and found this definition: “believing strongly in a religion and obeying all its rules or principles”

Based on that, I’d have to say that claiming to be “devout” is somewhat arrogant. In my particular case, I have finally come to grips with the fact that I probably will forever be a “cafeteria” Catholic. I love the Church and plan never to leave her, but I have my criticisms of her, both in what she does and even in some cases what she teaches. I don’t agree with my wife on every issue but I love her; similarly I don’t agree with the Church on every issue but I love her. If she cannot deal with that, then she is at liberty to put me away. As it stands, I feel very alone because most Catholics will answer on surveys that they disagree with Church teachings, but won’t admit it if their identity is known – primarily out of fear and shame.

To those who say I should not then get Communion, I would ask if they claim to follow all rules to the letter, e.g. whether they are without sin. If not, then they had better get under the New Covenant, and continue to join the rest of us sinners at the table or they risk having no life within them.

Alan
Everyone struggles. And I would warn you against saying you will “forever” be a cafeteria Catholic–anything can happen.

For me, it is not the fact that someone is a cafeteria Catholic that is the main problem. It is a problem mind you, but the bigger problem is the implication that because some people don’t agree with certain Church teachings, we can scrap them or get to vote on them as if Truth is determined by majority vote.

Scott
 
I don’t know about an arrogant title, but “devout catholics” do tend to be arrogant and obnoxious people.

IMHO these people are responsible for many catholics leaving the church and many would-be catholics not pursue conversion further.
 
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hermit:
I don’t know about an arrogant title, but “devout catholics” do tend to be arrogant and obnoxious people.

IMHO these people are responsible for many catholics leaving the church and many would-be catholics not pursue conversion further.
Oh really? Like the devout folks of Catholic Answers? How about devout Catholics like, say, John Paul II, or Mother Theresa? Would you say they are/were “arrogant and obnoxious”? How about St. Francis, St. Thomas Aquinas? Do you want me to go on?

Nobody likes stereotypes. Replace “devout Catholics” with “devout Jews” and you might be branded anti-Semetic. Certainly there are a few arrogant and obnoxious devout Catholics. I think there are just as many arrogant and obnoxious lax Catholics as well. If a Catholic is truly devout, then arrogance cannot have any place in a heart totally devoted to Jesus Christ. Of course, “obnoxious” is in the eye of the beholder; I’m sure the Pharisees thought Jesus was being pretty darn obnoxious.

What brings people to the Church is the true devotion of the faithful, not the laxity of cafeteria Catholics.

Pax,

The Augustinian
 
As for the title “devout Catholic” I think it should be applied to other people. Applying it to yourself is presumptuous; we know we have a lot more work to do. At least I think *I *do.

God bless,

The Augustinian
 
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Brown10985:
Would it be arrogant to consider yourself a devout Catholic? I was thinking about this because the title carries across the message that you are a superior Catholic than other Catholics and the only one who has that judgement is God. What do you all think?
I don’t get that, at all… about “the title carries across the message that you are a superior Catholic than other Catholics.”

Sigh.

It’s a simple descriptor – devout.

Like brunette is a descriptor.

If you’re devout, or if you’re brunette, then you are. Anyone who chooses to describe themselves as brunette, for example, is NOT saying that they are any more or less a brunette than any other brunette.

I describe myself as “devout, orthodox, happy even in times of trial cradle Roman Catholic”

That tells people how I see myself. And who I am.

I could tell people that I’m a “cradle brunette” because I was born brunette. I still am. Never have changed my hair color. God likes that color on me and if it’s good enough for Him, it’s definitely good enough for me!!

Even now that he’s doing some funky things with changing parts of my hair to a silvery grey, that TOO is good enough for Him! I think he’s having fun with my hair, actually. So, who am I to not enjoy that, too? I ain’t ever gonna color my hair back to brunette all over, even though getting a job with gray hair has statistically proven to be less of a chance if you’re a woman than a man who has gray hair.

Hope this helps to answer your question!
 
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hermit:
I don’t know about an arrogant title, but “devout catholics” do tend to be arrogant and obnoxious people.

IMHO these people are responsible for many catholics leaving the church and many would-be catholics not pursue conversion further.
I fall short of the mark far too often to consider myself devout.

However, I have been blessed to know many devout Catholics who help me on my journey to be Holy as our Father in Heaven in Holy (a journey very much in progress.) Those that I consider to be devout are truly humble, loving servants. They strive to obey God and the authorities that Jesus designated in His place. They are prayerful and compassionate.

Sometimes they are called judgmental, obnoxious or Pharisees because they speak the Truth.

Sad to say, we all have friends and loved ones who have left the Church. In my conversations with those who have left, I have never found anyone who was legitimately turned off by a devout person. In most cases it was because the Truth is so much harder to follow than the ways of the world.
 
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hermit:
I don’t know about an arrogant title, but “devout catholics” do tend to be arrogant and obnoxious people.
The Catholics who will grab you by the lapels and tell you that you need to either agree with them or go to hell might tend to describe themselves as devout, sure. I will assure you, though, that the reverse is not true. The quietly and humbly devout are legion, and if asked if they are devout, I think most would say, “Well, yes, I suppose you could say that.” They are modest, but not falsely so.
 
Hi all:

Have to tell you all this topic was such fun. I will have to remember the next person I meet who has left the Church - did you leave because you knew too many “devout” Catholics? That is soo oo good!! Seriously though most Catholics don’t go around saying they are “devout” Catholics. The terms now are either orthodox or liberal. Personally, I hate both of those. Lately, I have suggested to people that the most one can say about anyone else is that “they look like they are trying” thus avoiding judging anyone’s “interior” which is a management job.

Happy feastday - Queenship of Mary. Now there is a “devout” person. Peace on earth to men of good will.

LaVada
 
In referring to myself, I probably wouldn’t consider that I am devout…though I try to be as ‘devoted’ to The Lord and His teachings, which He left with His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church . And, with the help of the Holy Spirit, I do hope and pray that I am doing His will in all that I say and do…
 
One should not convolute the intended meaning by saying those people over there are arrogant or obnoxious. When others hear your accusations, they may in turn accuse you of pridefulness or having an inferiority complex. Rather than accusing, we should think the better of them.

Someone might say she has a devotion to our Lord, or Mother Mary, or the Church. Another might say, “she’s a devout Catholic because of her devotion.” When someone refers to themselves as a devout Catholic, we should think they mean the same and leave it at that. Maybe they don’t understand what devout means, but we shouldn’t be too quick to judge them as being arrogant.

Of devotion, Saint Francis de Sales says, “Just as it is the function of charity is to enable us to observe all God’s commandments in general and without exception, so it is the part of devotion to enable us to observe them more quickly and diligently…Charity is spiritual fire and when it bursts into flames, it is called devotion.”
 
Devout schmevout. I just call myself a raving looney fanatic and be done with it.

The real problem here is that the word “Catholic” itself has come under such abuse that “the faithful” (as magisterial documents refer to them) must try in vain to distinguish themselves from everyone and their pet dog who call themselves “Catholic” because of some accident of circumstance that has nothing to do with their lived lives. How to do that without appearing arrogant? I say, it’s not your concern how you’re perceived; there’s precious little you can do anyway–the world has it in for “devout Catholics.”

A faithful Catholic can have questions, and can even have doubts about Catholic leadership in some instances (I wouldn’t have it any other way). But if your philosophy is “believe what you like and leave the rest,” then the question I ask is: have you converted to Catholicism, or did you just make Catholicism convert to you?

That’s what people call ‘cafeteria catholicism’; I call it “halfolicism”.

The more tolerant and gentle people here may disparage the arrogance of snooty “devout Catholics,” but at the same time there are those who are merely scandalized by the notion that there is anything inherently wrong with dissent. Let’s look at it this way. You have people for whom their agreement with Catholic teaching is incidental; they have opinions which, matter-of-factly, are orthodox; and many such folks regard this an entitlement to the self-description of “faithfulness,” and will vigorously dispute any challenge to that honor.

And then there’s the rest; the ones who, knowing full well that they’re hypocritical, sinful, foul-smelling lowly schmucks, of varying degrees of treachery, nevertheless have a commandment in their heart which noone else has: to trust in the Church as our Christ-given light in the dark, at every single turn.

There are no degrees of difference; there is no middle road, no “moderately faithful” Catholic. The switch is either off, or on. Sure, the switch might be on, and the lightbulb burnt out, or not screwed in tightly, or the wrong wattage, or with sparks flying out and hurting people or burning the house down, whatever. What I mean is, there are ‘devout Catholics’ who are bitter, nasty curs, who in their world-weariness would much rather that their misery be shared than to be shining beacons of Christ.

But that notwithstanding, for any given individual, dissent is either allowed, or it is not; and the ones for whom it is not allowed should not fear to make that fact known.

Nobody has a license to actually be arrogant, but even being mindful of charity, the appearance thereof might not be preventable for every person.
 
I love the Catholic Church because it embodies Christ. There is so much wisdom and beauty in its official teachings. I try to be a good Catholic and consider myself a “practicing” Catholic.

Devout Catholic is such an overused term, especially by the media. I won’t continue with this, because this is another subject or “can of worms.” 🙂

Theodora
 
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Theodora:
I try to be a good Catholic and consider myself a “practicing” Catholic.
I believe this describes most of us who carry the name.
Devout Catholic is such an overused term, especially by the media.
Theodora
One of my pet gripes. If the media is talking about a Catholic, even a non-church going desenting on doctrine one, they use the adjective devout. :rolleyes:

Kotton 🙂

p.s. It’s almost the same as using the term Roman Catholic.
 
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Brown10985:
Would it be arrogant to consider yourself a devout Catholic? I was thinking about this because the title carries across the message that you are a superior Catholic than other Catholics and the only one who has that judgement is God. What do you all think?
In my mind the term devout is an apt descriptor. It is much better than saying “practicing” Catholic. Devout should mean one accepts Christ fully. Practicing too often means going to Church and claiming to accept the faith, but really only being half a Catholic. Devout should mean accepting and practicing the full faith, not just the parts you like.
 
My last comment, I promise - I’m a “practicing Catholic” If I practice long enough, I just “might” get it right, she said laughing.
Our Lady of Perpetual Help, pray for us.
Peace on earth to men of good will.
LaVada
 
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