Did God really command violence?

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Many objections are “God of Bible is evil God” and they continue to say how He commanded slaughter rape and killing.

I have read some passages, but it’s still not clear to me:
Did God Himself really commanded or that’s just Moses commands?
 
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Which laws commanded rape?

The Mosaic laws do include capital punishment; but whether the Mosaic law was directly commanded by God, Jesus gives us an idea when he said that Moses considered their “hard hearts” (Matthew 19:8). It was not the ideal justice “at the beginning of things.” Why God permits evil is the big question, and must be for some greater good, such as free will.
 
Never heard of him commanding rape, do you have a chapter and verse? God certainly commanded the Israelites to wipe out wicked people from time to time. There’s nothing inherently wrong with violence, it’s when violence is used improperly, against innocents that it is wrong. Violence used in defense of innocents is just.
 
I am not sure about rape. I am not claiming that, just when atheists have objections thats what they say. It doesnt have to be rape per se, but the point is God commands violence.
 
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the rape comment is stemmed from the lines in the Bible where God told the Israelites when they encounter and conquer a Nation to kill its men and take its women.

You don’t really need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what happens to conquered women.
 
You don’t really need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what happens to conquered women.
Under Mosaic law the Israelites could compel conquered women to marry them, yes. It’s not exactly the same as Viking-style rape and pillage. The law stated that a captured woman compelled into marriage must first be allowed to mourn for a month and could never be sold into slavery. (Deuteronomy 21:10–14).
 
Consider the allegorical value of such pericopes. The sons of Israel struggle against wicked foes because God’s people struggle against the power of sin and death. We must oppose sin with all our might. The battle between good and evil can be won, but it must be won completely. There are no half-victors in Heaven.

When YHWH places a nation under the ban, that means that Israel must cut them completely out of their lives, without leaving a remnant and without benefiting from the spoils. When we face sin in our lives, we must give it no quarter. In baptism we die to sin! If we must be dead to sin, we must turn our back on it entirely, cutting it out of our lives, doing whatever it takes to stay on a path of righteousness.

Sacred Scripture calls for us to bash the babies’ heads against the rocks. Allegorically, these are temptations and venial sins. We must deny them the means to take root in our souls and lead to more heinous thoughts and deeds.

Joshua wages war against the enemies of the children of Israel and he is victorious. He only prospers when he carefully observes the commands of YHWH for places under the ban. Joshua is a type of Christ, who became like us in all things but sin. Even Jesus is tempted, and He recapitulates the travails of Israel in the desert, but He emerges victorious because he never allows sin to flourish.
 
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The law stated that a captured woman compelled into marriage must first be allowed to mourn for a month and could never be sold into slavery.
Yes I’m aware, it’s still rape by today’s standard.
If American soldiers took home captive that the state could then arrange marriage there would be such an out cry.
 
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The law stated that a captured woman compelled into marriage must first be allowed to mourn for a month and could never be sold into slavery.
Yes I’m aware, it’s still rape by today’s standard.
If American soldiers took home captive that the state could then arrange marriage there would be such an out cry.
Yes, well, now we are arriving at one reason (among many) that men have traditionally been the soldiers while women stayed safely at home.
 
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
2261 Scripture specifies the prohibition contained in the fifth commandment: "Do not slay the innocent and the righteous."61 The deliberate murder of an innocent person is gravely contrary to the dignity of the human being, to the golden rule, and to the holiness of the Creator. The law forbidding it is universally valid: it obliges each and everyone, always and everywhere.

61 Ex 23:7.
 
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Catechism of the Catholic Church
2261 Scripture specifies the prohibition contained in the fifth commandment: "Do not slay the innocent and the righteous."61 The deliberate murder of an innocent person is gravely contrary to the dignity of the human being, to the golden rule, and to the holiness of the Creator. The law forbidding it is universally valid: it obliges each and everyone, always and everywhere.

61 Ex 23:7.
For the Israelites, the people under the ban are wicked and evil, every last one; they cannot brook their survival, much less living in their midst. We see the dire results when the Israelites ignore the LORD, let some of their enemies survive, and even take their women in marriage.
 
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Psalm 137 is one of my favourite psalms… until the last part
Babylon, pitiless queen, blessed be the man who deals out to thee the measure thou hast dealt to us; blessed be the man who will catch up thy children, and dash them against the rocks!
That is some seriously disturbing, reverse-psychology blessing. There’s a spiritual message here, but it’s stomach turning to think the Israelites actually may have done this to babies caught under the ban (maybe as vengeance because it was done to them). It’s impossible for me to justify that without a theological distinction between God’s positive and permissive will. He allowed the ancient Hebrews to do horribly evil things because of their “hard hearts” and progressive revelation. We can wonder why revelation was not immediate and perfect, and that’s all part of the problem of evil.
 
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Deuteronomy 20: 16-18

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16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 Completely destroy[a] them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you. 18 Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God.
 
It’s both. God is the primary author of sacred scripture (CCC 105) and inspired human authors to write the text (CCC 106). What is written there is what God wanted to be written. And yeah, it looks like he commanded genocide. As we know, truth cannot contradict truth, and we know that genocide is evil.

This is the kind of thing that lead some early Christians to consider the God of the Old Testament a different, wrathful god (Marcionism) from the one Jesus reveals in the New Testament. But that was condemned as heresy. How do we reconcile this?

Pope Benedict XVI in his Apostolic Exhortation, Verbum Domini wrote
  1. In discussing the relationship between the Old and the New Testaments, the Synod also considered those passages in the Bible which, due to the violence and immorality they occasionally contain, prove obscure and difficult. Here it must be remembered first and foremost that biblical revelation is deeply rooted in history . God’s plan is manifested progressively and it is accomplished slowly, in successive stages and despite human resistance. God chose a people and patiently worked to guide and educate them.
Revelation is suited to the cultural and moral level of distant times and thus describes facts and customs, such as cheating and trickery, and acts of violence and massacre, without explicitly denouncing the immorality of such things. This can be explained by the historical context, yet it can cause the modern reader to be taken aback, especially if he or she fails to take account of the many “dark” deeds carried out down the centuries, and also in our own day. In the Old Testament, the preaching of the prophets vigorously challenged every kind of injustice and violence, whether collective or individual, and thus became God’s way of training his people in preparation for the Gospel.

So it would be a mistake to neglect those passages of Scripture that strike us as problematic. Rather, we should be aware that the correct interpretation of these passages requires a degree of expertise, acquired through a training that interprets the texts in their historical-literary context and within the Christian perspective which has as its ultimate hermeneutical key “the Gospel and the new commandment of Jesus Christ brought about in the paschal mystery”.
How I basically understand this is that the Israelites were wandering in spiritual darkness. They understood that God did not want them worshipping other gods, and they believed this meant they must completely and utterly destroy people who worshipped other gods. The Lord allowed this and inspired it to be written down, not only for its spiritual meaning but as a record of salvation history.

Why didn’t God stop them and say, “No, actually, don’t kill them all — just don’t worship their gods!”? There is a complexity there involving the Israelites’ “hard hearts” and even resistance to revelation that God allowed for some greater good, such as free will. As the story unfolded, the Israelites ended up worshipping all sorts of other pagan gods, anyway.
 
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Jericho, Ai, the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, Jabesh-Gilead, Nob, the Amalekites.
 
Jericho, Ai, the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, Jabesh-Gilead, Nob, the Amalekites.
Ah, those named in Acts 13:
18 And for the space of forty years endured their manners in the desert.
19 And destroying seven nations in the land of Chanaan, divided their land among them, by lot,
20 As it were, after four hundred and fifty years: and after these things, he gave unto them judges, until Samuel the prophet.
 
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