Did James White win the debate?

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PhilVaz said:
Marian doctrines 1996, winner White (vs. Matatics)
sola scriptura 1996, winner Staples (vs. White)
sola scriptura 1997, winner Matatics (vs. White)
papacy 1998, winner White (vs. Pacwa)
eucharist 1999, winner Sungenis (vs. White)
justification May 2000, winner Sungenis (vs. White)
papacy July 2000, winner White (vs. Staples)
papacy Oct 2000, winner Sungenis (vs. White)
sola scriptura 2000, winner White (vs. Pacwa)
purgatory 2001, winner White (vs. Stravinskas)
saints 2002, winner Madrid (vs. White)
OT canon 2003, winner Michuta (vs. White)
eucharist 2003 (again), winner Sungenis (vs. White)

If you wanna just get the debates where White lost, there you go, in my objective carefully scored opinion 😃

And of course Akin won his two debates with White: eternal security and BAM (1995) radio debates so those are safe. And my opinion of the older debates here.

So get the Sungenis ones from CAI, get the Akin ones from CA, and get the Hahn ones from St. Joe Comm. And you’ll have to get the others from White, or send me an Email.

Phil P
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How did they decide who won each debate?
 
If I’m not mistaken, Hahn no longer debated because he feels it takes a lot of time to prepare and doesn’t change many people’s minds, thus focusing moreso on writing, teaching, and public speaking.

Still, I dream at night about White vs Hahn debates.
 
What is Fr. Pacwa doing debating? I love Fr. Pacwa and think he’s great, but he just doesn’t seem like the type who would be mxing it up with the likes of James White–and as the results show, he gets owned everytime! :ouch:
 
Genesis315 said:
What is Fr. Pacwa doing debating? I love Fr. Pacwa and think he’s great, but he just doesn’t seem like the type who would be mxing it up with the likes of James White–and as the results show, he gets owned everytime! :ouch:
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Your right, he is great and all but he just is too darn nice for a debate.
You need to have a little fiestiness (is that spelled right?) to debate and Fr. Pacwa is just so charitable he seems to let a lot of things go, maybe he assumes that everyone else sees the inconsistancy then it looks like he gets nailed each time.

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<< I love Fr. Pacwa and think he’s great, but he just doesn’t seem like the type who would be mxing it up with the likes of James White–and as the results show, he gets owned everytime! >>

Actually I was just listening back and refreshing my memory of the 1998 Papacy one, and I think overall Pacwa did quite well. White basically layed out the same anti-papacy case he made against Matatics in 1993. Strong case and difficult to answer in 20 minutes, so I’ll still give the edge to White. Pacwa remained calm and polite through the debate, and nailed White on the “44 Fathers say Peter’s confession is the rock” by pointing out some of those included Popes Leo, Gregory, up through the late Middle Ages and beyond (B.C. Butler pointed out the same in his reply to Salmon). The Papacy was well established at that point, even White will admit.

Also, Pacwa made some excellent points about “anathema” in that debate (although technically off topic). It would probably be much more interesting sitting in at a dinner between Pacwa and White, rather than a formal debate. Although as I understand White still won’t have coffee with Steve Ray so dinner I guess is out. 😃 👍

Phil P
 
PhilVaz said:
<< I love Fr. Pacwa and think he’s great, but he just doesn’t seem like the type who would be mxing it up with the likes of James White–and as the results show, he gets owned everytime! >>

Actually I was just listening back and refreshing my memory of the 1998 Papacy one, and I think overall Pacwa did quite well. White basically layed out the same anti-papacy case he made against Matatics in 1993. Strong case and difficult to answer in 20 minutes, so I’ll still give the edge to White. Pacwa remained calm and polite through the debate, and nailed White on the “44 Fathers say Peter’s confession is the rock” by pointing out some of those included Popes Leo, Gregory, up through the late Middle Ages and beyond (B.C. Butler pointed out the same in his reply to Salmon). The Papacy was well established at that point, even White will admit.

Also, Pacwa made some excellent points about “anathema” in that debate (although technically off topic). It would probably be much more interesting sitting in at a dinner between Pacwa and White, rather than a formal debate. Although as I understand White still won’t have coffee with Steve Ray so dinner I guess is out. 😃 👍

Phil P
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Has Steve Ray invited White for coffee?

White and Sungenis at Baskin Robbins…👍
 
PhilVaz said:
<< What debates has Hahn done? >>

Hahn debates:

vs. Robert Knudsen (authority and salvation) 1989
vs. Ken Samples / CRI B.A.M. 1990
vs. Robert Bowman (Justification, part of "The Ultimate Challenge" set) 1997
vs. anyone every day on the phone since at least 1986

Bonus Trivia: Hahn moderated the first Matatics vs. White debate on the papacy (Dec 1990). 👍

vs. White (sola scriptura, 2022 AD), Hahn loses
vs. White (papacy, 2023 AD), Hahn loses
vs. White (Marian doctrines, 2024 AD), Hahn loses
Hahn is now Protestant. Then
vs. White (infant baptism, 2025 AD), Hahn loses
vs. White (predestination, 2028 AD), Hahn loses

Hahn becomes Reformed Baptist, 2033 AD. Re-writes all his books, re-records all his tapes, but stays with same publisher (Doubleday). :confused: Joins Alpha/Omega, replaces Rich Pierce. Just kidding 😃

<< Don’t you mean 3000BC? 🙂 >>

Oops, that’s old earther: 150,000 B.C. with first homo sapiens.
young earther: 6000 B.C. with Adam.
Middle Earther: Gandolf defeats Frodo 45,000 A.D., sorry I don’t know the characters that well.

Phil P
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Dr. Hahn doesnt strike me as a debater type… he is an excellent speaker though.
 
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