Did Jesus ever say that He was God?

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Did Jesus ever say that He was God?
I believe that He has and that there are many places in the Bible where He has either said that he was God or He implied that He was God.
Do you disagree?
Did Jesus ever say that He was God?
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Jesus said" whom do you seek?" and they said " Jesus of Nazareth." and Jesus said “I AM.” moses asked the Lord. " who is it i shall tell the people who sent me?" and God said. " tell them I AM has sent you." Peace 🙂 p.s. before abraham was…I AM. just a few. Peace 🙂
 
John 6
40 (Jesus said) For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life**, and I **shall raise him (on) the last day."

John 7
21 "Not everyone who says to me**, 'Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
22 Manywill say to me** on that day,** 'Lord, Lord**, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your (Jesus) name?”

John 8
19 So they said to him, “Where is your father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
23 He (Jesus) said to them, “You belong to what is below, I belong to what is above**. You belong to thisworld, but I do not belong to this world**.**
24 “That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”
58 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you,before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

John 13
13 You call me ‘teacher’ and ‘master,’ and rightly so**,** for indeed I AM.

Exodus 3
14 God replied, “I am who am.” Then he added, “This is what you shall tell the Israelites**: I AM** sent me to you.” (I am who am: this utterance is the source of the word Yahweh, the proper personal name of the God of Israel)

"I am" repeated by Jesus (8) times in the Gospel of John:

I am the bread of life (Jn.6:35)
I am the light of the world (Jn.8:12)
I am the gate (Jn.10:9)
I am the good shepherd (Jn.10:11.)
I am the resurrection (Jn.11:25)
I am the way and the truth and the life (Jn.14:6)
I am the true vine (Jn.15:1)
Before Abraham was, I am (Jn.8:58)…
 
Jimmy_B said:
John 6
40 (Jesus said) For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life**, and I **shall raise him (on) the last day."

John 7
21 "Not everyone who says to me**, 'Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
22 Manywill say to me** on that day,** 'Lord, Lord**, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your (Jesus) name?”

John 8
19 So they said to him, “Where is your father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
23 He (Jesus) said to them, “You belong to what is below, I belong to what is above**. You belong to thisworld, but I do not belong to this world**.**
24 “That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”
58 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you,before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

John 13
13 You call me ‘teacher’ and ‘master,’ and rightly so**,** for indeed I AM.

Exodus 3
14 God replied, “I am who am.” Then he added, “This is what you shall tell the Israelites**: I AM** sent me to you.” (I am who am: this utterance is the source of the word Yahweh, the proper personal name of the God of Israel)

"I am" repeated by Jesus (8) times in the Gospel of John:

I am the bread of life (Jn.6:35)
I am the light of the world (Jn.8:12)
I am the gate (Jn.10:9)
I am the good shepherd (Jn.10:11.)
I am the resurrection (Jn.11:25)
I am the way and the truth and the life (Jn.14:6)
I am the true vine (Jn.15:1)
Before Abraham was, I am (Jn.8:58)…
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Jimmy_B said:
John 6
40 (Jesus said) For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life**, and I **shall raise him (on) the last day."

John 7
21 "Not everyone who says to me**, 'Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.
22 Manywill say to me** on that day,** 'Lord, Lord**, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your (Jesus) name?”

John 8
19 So they said to him, “Where is your father?” Jesus answered, “You know neither me nor my Father. If you knew me, you would know my Father also.”
23 He (Jesus) said to them, “You belong to what is below, I belong to what is above**. You belong to thisworld, but I do not belong to this world**.**
24 “That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”
58 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you,before Abraham came to be, I AM.”

John 13
13 You call me ‘teacher’ and ‘master,’ and rightly so**,** for indeed I AM.

Exodus 3
14 God replied, “I am who am.” Then he added, “This is what you shall tell the Israelites**: I AM** sent me to you.” (I am who am: this utterance is the source of the word Yahweh, the proper personal name of the God of Israel)

"I am" repeated by Jesus (8) times in the Gospel of John:

I am the bread of life (Jn.6:35)
I am the light of the world (Jn.8:12)
I am the gate (Jn.10:9)
I am the good shepherd (Jn.10:11.)
I am the resurrection (Jn.11:25)
I am the way and the truth and the life (Jn.14:6)
I am the true vine (Jn.15:1)
Before Abraham was, I am (Jn.8:58)…
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Solid! 😃
 
Im not sure if my thinking is right (although I should ask a Priest for any clarification), there is nowhere in the Bible that Jesus ever said in facevalue “I am God”. And this is due to the fact that he’s True God and True Man. So while he’s on earth he won’t be saying “I am God” outright.

Which then attaches meaning to the Holy Trinity which are three Persons in one.

Or am I not really “getting it”?

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Im not sure if my thinking is right (although I should ask a Priest for any clarification), there is nowhere in the Bible that Jesus ever said in facevalue “I am God”. And this is due to the fact that he’s True God and True Man. So while he’s on earth he won’t be saying “I am God” outright.

Which then attaches meaning to the Holy Trinity which are three Persons in one.

Or am I not really “getting it”?

MJ
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You’re right, I don’t believe that you’ll find a Bible verse, translated to English, where Jesus says, “I am God” but He did say “I and the Father are one.” Sometimes things are lost in translation and we also know that Jesus spoke, using parables, typology, allegories and metaphors. If one follows the Gospels, in chronological order, it is very apparent that in the beginning of His ministry, He didn’t think that His Apostles were “ready”… When you read the Bible today, it is apparent that Jesus was both fully human, while at the same time, fully divine and that He did say that He was God, in so many words…Thank you for your post.
 
I do not believe Jesus ever claimed to be God. The writer of John was not writing dialog nor acutal biography completely historical accurate. The writer of John definitely had a more developed Christology than the synoptics and by the time John was written toward the end of the first to the beginning of the second century, the belief in the deity of Jesus of Nazareth was taking hold in those groups which eventually consolidated into the “orthodox” version of Christianity…however…the gospel of John was disputed for centuries until it finally became accepted…it was too “gnostic” for many of the “orthodox”.

The writer of John uses literary license by having Jesus confirm what was taking form within the Christian movement by the end of the first century. It would be centuries before the doctrine of the Trinity was finally formulated and became the “norm” of Christian belief.
 
Thomas gave him the title “My Lord and My God”. Jesus made no correction.

Also: Lord is the word used by the Jews at the time to refer to their God as opposed to all those other gods. Caesar was god, Pheroh was god, Alex the great was god. Why not Jesus, Pontius Pilate, Caiaphus, me. To claim to be god is something every conquerer or great person (in the eyes of the world) did. To say ‘I am god’ is just something people did when ever they conquered some difficulty. I would think some of the olympic athletes would consider themselves god when the came home from the games.

For Jesus to be the one true God, he would have expressed it as I am Lord.
 
It is not so important that Jesus said that himself in the Bible because other parts in the Bible telling that he is God like in John 1
If you do not trust that parts why should you trust words from Jesus?
 
Jimmy_B said:
You’re right, I don’t believe that you’ll find a Bible verse, translated to English, where Jesus says, “I am God” but He did say “I and the Father are one.” Sometimes things are lost in translation and we also know that Jesus spoke, using parables, typology, allegories and metaphors. If one follows the Gospels, in chronological order, it is very apparent that in the beginning of His ministry, He didn’t think that His Apostles were “ready”… When you read the Bible today, it is apparent that Jesus was both fully human, while at the same time, fully divine and that He did say that He was God, in so many words…Thank you for your post.
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I’m happy I did get it. 👍 Thanks for your comments.

I’d like to add (forgive me If I’m deviating from the original point) that as far as I can tell, Jesus while during his ministry never used his Godly powers for himself ie to escape the Jews who tried to kill him, either he finds some kind of exit, or mixing in with the crowds and slips way undetected. I find that very fascinating. MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
Im not sure if my thinking is right (although I should ask a Priest for any clarification), there is nowhere in the Bible that Jesus ever said in facevalue “I am God”. And this is due to the fact that he’s True God and True Man. So while he’s on earth he won’t be saying “I am God” outright.

Which then attaches meaning to the Holy Trinity which are three Persons in one.

Or am I not really “getting it”?

MJ
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Hi MJ,

Jimmy has already given a great answer to your question, I thought I’d add a little more. This is what I understand to be true, so if someone far more knowledgeable and scholarly comes along and corrects me, that’s OK, but this is what I know ~
  • Remember that Jesus was Jewish. For people of the Jewish faith, the name of God itself is sacred. In fact Jews will often spell the name of God (in English, I don’t know about other languages) as G-d because of the sacred nature of God’s name. Jesus would have known this, and would have observed the sacred nature of God’s name, if for no other reason than out of respect for the culture in which He lived.
  • “I Am” would have been recognized by anyone who heard Jesus as an indication of who He was. Without actually saying the name of God, He gave a clear indication of what he meant that any of his contemporary listeners would have understood.
 
MartinJordan said:
Im not sure if my thinking is right (although I should ask a Priest for any clarification), there is nowhere in the Bible that Jesus ever said in facevalue “I am God”. And this is due to the fact that he’s True God and True Man. So while he’s on earth he won’t be saying “I am God” outright.

Which then attaches meaning to the Holy Trinity which are three Persons in one.

Or am I not really “getting it”?

MJ
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GOD IS A SPIRIT.- John 4:24

The body of Jesus is a physical form that ‘had’ that Spirit. That’s why Jesus said “why do you ask to see the Father?” He is directly telling them, “hey, look here…you look at me, you’re looking at the Father.”. NOT that He is the Father, but that the Father is IN HIM.

Compare it to a hydrogen balloon. God is like the hydrogen inside the balloon. When you have the balloon, you have the hydrogen. And you can say “hey, I have the hydrogen!” or say “this is hydrogen”. And there’s nothing wrong with that statement. But is the balloon itself hydrogen? NO. Its a vessel / container for THAT hydrogen.

The flesh passes away, but the spirit lives on. Jesus is God not because of his flesh, but because of the Spirit. Incidentally, Mary gave never gave birth to that Spirit. To say that she did, is plain Blasphemy.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
MelanieAnne said:
Hi MJ,

Jimmy has already given a great answer to your question, I thought I’d add a little more. This is what I understand to be true, so if someone far more knowledgeable and scholarly comes along and corrects me, that’s OK, but this is what I know ~
  • Remember that Jesus was Jewish. For people of the Jewish faith, the name of God itself is sacred. In fact Jews will often spell the name of God (in English, I don’t know about other languages) as G-d because of the sacred nature of God’s name. Jesus would have known this, and would have observed the sacred nature of God’s name, if for no other reason than out of respect for the culture in which He lived.
  • “I Am” would have been recognized by anyone who heard Jesus as an indication of who He was. Without actually saying the name of God, He gave a clear indication of what he meant that any of his contemporary listeners would have understood.
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Wow! I think you have made some valuable insights about those days. Beautiful. :extrahappy: As our Lord said several times “Listen” you can get that clear understanding that he IS God.

MJ
 
MelanieAnne said:
Hi MJ,

Jimmy has already given a great answer to your question, I thought I’d add a little more. This is what I understand to be true, so if someone far more knowledgeable and scholarly comes along and corrects me, that’s OK, but this is what I know ~
  • Remember that Jesus was Jewish. For people of the Jewish faith, the name of God itself is sacred. In fact Jews will often spell the name of God (in English, I don’t know about other languages) as G-d because of the sacred nature of God’s name. Jesus would have known this, and would have observed the sacred nature of God’s name, if for no other reason than out of respect for the culture in which He lived.
  • “I Am” would have been recognized by anyone who heard Jesus as an indication of who He was. Without actually saying the name of God, He gave a clear indication of what he meant that any of his contemporary listeners would have understood.
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Excellent points! 👍
 
(Zechariah 12) is a solid proof from the OT:

"The LORD will save the dwellings of Judah first, so that the honor of the house of David and of Jerusalem’s inhabitants may not be greater than that of Judah. On that day the LORD will shield those who live in Jerusalem, so that the feeblest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD going before them. On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem. And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be great, like the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and all the rest of the clans and their wives."
 
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