Did Jesus have any genes from Joseph?

[Della]

The genealogy in BOTH Mathew and Luke is of Jesus through Joseph, not Mary.

Hadock’s Catholic Bible Commentary on Luke 3 clarifies this for us:

…we must acknowledge in the genealogy in St. Luke, two sons improperly so called, that is, two sons-in-law, instead of sons. As among the Hebrews, the women entered not into the genealogy, when a house finished by a daughter, instead of naming the daughter in the genealogy, they named the son-in-law, who had for father-in-law the father of his wife. The two sons-in-law mentioned in St. Luke are Joseph, the son-in-law of Heli, and Salathiel, the son-in-law of Neri. This remarks clears up the difficulty. Joseph, the son of Jacob, in St. Matthew, was the son-in-law of Heli, in St. Luke; and Salathiel, the son of Jechonias, in St. Matthew, was the son-in-law of Neri, in St. Luke. Mary was the daughter of Heli, Eliacim, or Joacim, or Joachim. Joseph, the son of Jacob, and Mary, the daughter of Heli, had a common origin; both descending from Zorobabel, Joseph by Abiud the eldest, and Mary by Resa, the younger brother. Joseph descended from the royal branch of David, of which Solomon was the chief; and Mary from the other branch, of which Nathan was the chief. by Salathiel, the father of Zorobabel, and son of Jechonias, Joseph and Mary descended from Solomon, the son and heir of David. And by the wife of Salathiel, the mother of Zorobabel, and daughter of Neri, of which Neri Salathiel was the son-in-law, Joseph and Mary descended from Nathan, the other son of David, so that Joseph and Mary re-united in themselves all the blood of David.

 

[Cathoholic]

Hello Robert. You asked . . .

Did Jesus have any genes from Joseph?

Jesus took upon Himself the flesh of the Blessed Virgin Mary (and although this isn’t a “biology lesson”, He presumably utilized the “genes” of The Blessed Mother too).

Remember. Jesus taking flesh of the Virgin Mary was miraculous. It was as we say at Sunday Mass in the Latin Rite . . . “By the Holy Spirit”.

And since you cannot reduce supernatural events (even when there may or may not be some natural associations), down to mere science, the question you posed won’t be answered with the depth you may prefer.

But there ARE some clues.

VATICAN II (Lumen Gentium) 55. The Sacred Scriptures of both the Old and the New Testament, as well as ancient Tradition show the role of the Mother of the Saviour in the economy of salvation in an ever clearer light and draw attention to it. The books of the Old Testament describe the history of salvation, by which the coming of Christ into the world was slowly prepared. These earliest documents, as they are read in the Church and are understood in the light of a further and full revelation, bring the figure of the woman, Mother of the Redeemer, into a gradually clearer light. When it is looked at in this way, she is already prophetically foreshadowed in the promise of victory over the serpent which was given to our first parents after their fall into sin.(284) Likewise she is the Virgin who shall conceive and bear a son, whose name will be called Emmanuel.(285) She stands out among the poor and humble of the Lord, who confidently hope for and receive salvation from Him. With her the exalted Daughter of Sion, and after a long expectation of the promise, the times are fulfilled and the new Economy established, when the Son of God took a human nature from her, that He might in the mysteries of His flesh free man from sin.

In Genesis 3, the Son comes from the mother’s . . . “sperma” in the Greek Septuigint.

“Sperma”.

Sperma. That’s an odd word to use while focusing on a Woman.

It’s odd unless you see this as having some relation to the miracle of the Incarnation – especially now knowing what we do and then being able to look back at Genesis 3.

St. Paul also gives us insight.

GALATIANS 4:4 4 But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,

GALATIANS 4:4 (RSV) 4 But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born (the Greek word here is “genomenon” which has a suggestion of generation or generating) of woman, born under the law,

I think this is perhaps WHY the King James Version translation of the Bible translates Galatians 4:4 this way . . . .

GALATIANS 4:4 (KJV) But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

This is more of a meditation than an “answer” Robert. Never the less, I hope my reply gives you insight into your question.

Merry Christmas and God bless.

Cathoholic

 

[abucs]

Did Jesus have any genes (sic) from Joseph?

I don’t think Levi’s were around back then.

(The jeans not the tribe).

 

[rossum]

Ive wondered about this aspect too, imo, if someone had been there to do a DNA test of the baby Jesus, I highly doubt it would look anything remotely close to human, it would probably be something no one could understand or explain.

It is still possible to do a DNA test on Jesus. Just find a genuine relic to test: umbilicus, foreskin or blood (from the Turin Shroud perhaps). The placenta will also share the same DNA.

Of course, finding the genuine relics among all the false ones might be a problem. IIRC at one time there were about a dozen holy foreskins. DNA matching might be a way to tell the genuine from the fake. DNA from true relics will match.

I dont think Jesus was a normal baby either, I think as soon as he came out of the womb, he probably was able to have complex discussions, walk, and probably understood exactly what he was.

You may be confusing Him with the Buddha, who walked and talked immediately after being born:

According to the legends about this birth, the baby began to walk seven steps forward and at each step a lotus flower appeared on the ground. Then, at the seventh stride, he stopped and with a noble voice shouted:

“I am chief of the world,
Eldest am I in the world,
Foremost am I in the world.
This is the last birth.
There is now no more coming to be.”

– Life of the Buddha: Birth.​

Those sorts of stories are often told of famous men.

rossum

 

[Gorgias]

I dont think Jesus was a normal baby either, I think as soon as he came out of the womb, he probably was able to have complex discussions, walk, and probably understood exactly what he was.

It’s difficult to wrap our heads around the two (seemingly incongruous) notions of “the divinity of Jesus” and “the humanity of Jesus.” When we want to give credence to one, we sometimes do damage to the other. (In contemporary society, in which we tend these days to lean too heavily on Jesus’ human nature, this leads to an undermining of the recognition of His divinity.)

By the same token, though, we can make the same mistake, but in the opposite direction, by ascribing ‘super-human’ properties to Jesus, especially when He (as a child) shouldn’t yet have had those properties. Yet, Luke tells us (in Lk 2:40) that Jesus was filling with wisdom, implying (by the grammar of his sentence here) that the “becoming filled with wisdom” was happening at the same time that he “grew” and “became strong.”

 

[GEddie]

DNA testing of our LORD is impossible, simply because we have no genetic material of his living body to test against.

All bodily relics of His life are uncertain in provenance.

ICXC NIKA

 

[DaveBj]

DNA testing of our LORD is impossible, simply because we have no genetic material of his living body to test against.

All bodily relics of His life are uncertain in provenance.

ICXC NIKA

And perhaps that ^^^ is with good reason.

 

[prodromos]

The genealogy in BOTH Mathew and Luke is of Jesus through Joseph, not Mary.

Two different lines though?

According to St John of Damascus, Joseph had a legal father and a biological father who were brothers with the same mother but of different fathers, their mother having remarried after becoming widowed after the birth of her first son.
Her first son married, but died without producing an heir, so his brother lay with his brother’s widow to raise up seed for his dead brother. The son who was subsequently born was Joseph, who is decended from David both through Solomon and Nathan as a result.