Did Jesus have brothers/sisters of the blood line?

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The following is copied from one of my older files. I’m not sure where I got it from originally, but it is interesting. Please comment as appropriate.:

Consider what happened at the foot of the Cross. When Jesus was dying, He entrusted His mother to the Apostle John: “Jesus, seeing His mother there, and the disciple, too, whom He loved, standing by, said to His mother, Woman, this is thy son. Then He said to the disciple, this is thy mother. And from that hour the disciple took her into his own keeping” (Jn 19:26-27). The Gospels mention four “brethren”, James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. It is hard to imagine why Jesus would have disregarded family ties and made this provision for His mother if these four were also her sons.

Of the four “brethren” who are named in the “Gospels, consider, for the sake of argument, only James. Similar reasoning can be used for the other three. We know that James’ mother was named Mary. Look at the descriptions of the women standing beneath the Cross: “Among them were Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee” (Mt 27:56)”. “Among them were Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joseph, and Salome” (Mk 15:40). Then look at what John says: “And meanwhile His (Jesus’) mother, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen had taken their stand beside the cross of Jesus” (Jn 19:25). If we compare these parallel accounts of the scene of the Crucifixion, we see that the mother of James and Joseph must be the wife of Cleophas. So far so good.

An argument against this, though, is that James is elsewhere (Mt 10:3) described as the son of Alphaeus, which would mean this Mary, whoever she was, was the wife of both Cleophas and Alphaeus. One solution is that she was widowed once, then remarried. More probably Alphaeus and Cleophas (Clopas in Greek) are the same person, since the Aramaic name for Alphaeus could be rendered in Greek in different ways, either as Alphaeus or Clopas. Another possibility is that Alphaeus took a Greek name similar to his Jewish name, the way that Saul took the name Paul.

So it is probable, anyway, that James is the son of this other Mary and Cleophas. If the testimony of the Hegisippus, a second century historian, is believed, Cleophas was the brother of Joseph, the foster father of Jesus. James would thus be Joseph’s nephew and a cousin of Jesus, who was Joseph’s putative son. This identification of the “brethren of the Lord” as Jesus’ cousins is open to legitimate question - they might even be relatives more distantly removed - and our inability to know certainly their status says nothing about the main point, which is that the Bible demonstrates that they were not anyway, the Virgin Mary’s children.

I found the above a bit hard to follow/comprehend, but after several readings, right or wrong, it began to make sense to me.

Peace
 
The following is copied from one of my older files. I’m not sure where I got it from originally, but it is interesting. Please comment as appropriate.:

Consider what happened at the foot of the Cross. When Jesus was dying, He entrusted His mother to the Apostle John: “Jesus, seeing His mother there, and the disciple, too, whom He loved, standing by, said to His mother, Woman, this is thy son. Then He said to the disciple, this is thy mother. And from that hour the disciple took her into his own keeping” (Jn 19:26-27). The Gospels mention four “brethren”, James, Joseph, Simon, and Jude. It is hard to imagine why Jesus would have disregarded family ties and made this provision for His mother if these four were also her sons.

Of the four “brethren” who are named in the “Gospels, consider, for the sake of argument, only James. Similar reasoning can be used for the other three. We know that James’ mother was named Mary. Look at the descriptions of the women standing beneath the Cross: “Among them were Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee” (Mt 27:56)”. “Among them were Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joseph, and Salome” (Mk 15:40). Then look at what John says: “And meanwhile His (Jesus’) mother, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen had taken their stand beside the cross of Jesus” (Jn 19:25). If we compare these parallel accounts of the scene of the Crucifixion, we see that the mother of James and Joseph must be the wife of Cleophas. So far so good.

An argument against this, though, is that James is elsewhere (Mt 10:3) described as the son of Alphaeus, which would mean this Mary, whoever she was, was the wife of both Cleophas and Alphaeus. One solution is that she was widowed once, then remarried. More probably Alphaeus and Cleophas (Clopas in Greek) are the same person, since the Aramaic name for Alphaeus could be rendered in Greek in different ways, either as Alphaeus or Clopas. Another possibility is that Alphaeus took a Greek name similar to his Jewish name, the way that Saul took the name Paul.

So it is probable, anyway, that James is the son of this other Mary and Cleophas. If the testimony of the Hegisippus, a second century historian, is believed, Cleophas was the brother of Joseph, the foster father of Jesus. James would thus be Joseph’s nephew and a cousin of Jesus, who was Joseph’s putative son. This identification of the “brethren of the Lord” as Jesus’ cousins is open to legitimate question - they might even be relatives more distantly removed - and our inability to know certainly their status says nothing about the main point, which is that the Bible demonstrates that they were not anyway, the Virgin Mary’s children.

I found the above a bit hard to follow/comprehend, but after several readings, right or wrong, it began to make sense to me.

Peace
Sorry if I seem dumb but your thread title asks the question if Jesus had brothers/sisters of the blood line but your post is saying he did not and that the bible supports that view. I agree so why the question? Am I missing something?
 
Thistle,

That question was actually the topic of the article I sent - I just copied it… But as you know, there are many people who think that Jesus did have blood brothers and sisters - especially some non-Catholics. So the stated question is a way of bringing attention to a problem that some find questionable - and the text may help them with the answer.

I hope this lets you know why I did it. Some on this forum may have been drawn to this posting after reading the question, and these people may have found the article helpful in ,perhaps, defending our Catholic belief on this subject to those who may not agree with us.

Peace
 
Thistle,

That question was actually the topic of the article I sent - I just copied it… But as you know, there are many people who think that Jesus did have blood brothers and sisters - especially some non-Catholics. So the stated question is a way of bringing attention to a problem that some find questionable - and the text may help them with the answer.

I hope this lets you know why I did it. Some on this forum may have been drawn to this posting after reading the question, and these people may have found the article helpful in ,perhaps, defending our Catholic belief on this subject to those who may not agree with us.

Peace
Thanks.
 
An argument against this, though, is that James is elsewhere (Mt 10:3) described as the son of Alphaeus, which would mean this Mary, whoever she was, was the wife of both Cleophas and Alphaeus. One solution is that she was widowed once, then remarried. More probably Alphaeus and Cleophas (Clopas in Greek) are the same person, since the Aramaic name for Alphaeus could be rendered in Greek in different ways, either as Alphaeus or Clopas. Another possibility is that Alphaeus took a Greek name similar to his Jewish name, the way that Saul took the name Paul.
Also, Cleophas and Alphaeus may have been different persons… so there may have been three Jameses. I believe this is the definite Orthodox position. Compatible with Catholic belief anyway.
 
I agree that Jesus didn’t have any brothers or sisters. An interesting book that substantiates this is “Mystical City of God” by Ven. Mary of Agreda, published by Tan Books.
 
Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant, the “woman whose seed would crush the serpent’s head”, and is the “woman clothed with the sun”. Do you realize that Mary is mentioned in the very first book of the Bible, Genesis, and the very last book, Revelations? Recall how in the Old Testament, how much honor and holiness was accorded the Ark of the Covenant. Yet what did it contain? The Tablets written by God, some manna, and Aaron’s rod. How much holier and how much more honor is accorded the Blessed Mother, whose body contained the very body, soul, and divinity of our Lord? Of course she didn’t have any other children. How shameful to even say that! Aramaic didn’t have a word for cousin, or other kinsmen. Everyone was called brother or sister, regardless of what the blood relationship was.
 
Olivermax,

As I said, the question, as presented, was only to draw people into reading the post. I do not question Mary’s virginity. Here is some other info that may be helpful:

The term “brother” has a wide meaning in the Bible. It is not restricted to brothers germane or half brothers. The same goes for “sister” and the plural “brethren”. Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Moholi; Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar had no sons, only daughters, who married their “brethren”, the sons of Kish. These “brethren” were really their cousins (1 Chron 23:21-22)

The terms “brethren“, “brother“, and “sister“ did not refer only to close relatives, as in the above examples. Sometimes they meant only a kinsman (Dt 23:8; Jer 34:9). The words could mean even people apparently unrelated, such as a friend (1 Kings 9:13, 20:12). Or just an ally (Amos 1:9).

Why this ambiguous usage? Because neither Hebrew nor Aramaic, the language spoken by Christ and His disciples, had a special word meaning “cousin“. Speakers of those languages used either the word for “brother“ or a circumlocution, such as “the son of the sister of my father“. Using a circumlocution was clumsy way to speak, so they naturally fell to using the word “brother“. The writers of the New Testament were brought up to use the Aramaic equivalent of “brethren“ to mean both cousins and sons of the same father - plus other relatives and even non-relatives. To determine just what “brethren“ or “brother“ or “sister“ means in any one verse, we must look at the context. When we do that, we may see insuperable problems arise if we assume that Mary had children other than Jesus.

In the story of his being found in the Temple, Jesus, at age twelve, is mentioned as evidently the only Son of Mary (Lk 2:41-51); there is no hint of other children in the family. The people of Nazareth, where he grew up, refer to him as “the son of Mary“ (Mk 6:3), not as “a son of Mary“. If the words “a son of Mary“ were used, then that might infer that there were other sons, but the words were “THE son of Mary“. The Greek expression implies he is her only son. In fact, others in the Gospels are never referred to as Mary‘s sons, not even when they are called Jesus‘ “brethren“. If they were in fact her sons, this would be a strange usage. I do find it strange that many of the persons named in the Bible are referred to as “______, the son or daughter of _______”. Other than Jesus, I can recall no reference to any of Jesus‘ alleged brothers, James, Joseph, Simon, or Judas as being referred to as “a son of Mary or Joseph“.

The other argument used by some concerns the term “first-born.” They say Jesus could not be called Mary’s “first-born” unless there were other children that followed him. This is a misunderstanding of the way the ancient Jews used the term. For them it meant that child that opened the womb (Ex 13:2, Nb3:12). Under the Mosaic law, it was the “first-born” son that was to be sanctified (Ex 34-20). Did this mean the parents had to wait until a second son was born before they could call their first the “first-born”? Not hardly. The first male child of a marriage was termed the “first-born” even if he turned out to be the only child of the marriage. This usage is illustrated by a funerary inscription discovered in Egypt. The inscription refers to a woman who died during the birth of her “first-born”. Does this mean that she had other children AFTER her death? Not hardly. The words “first born” does not necessarily mean that there were others. In Laws of Inheritance, the words “first son” was used quite often since the “first son” inherited his father’s estate. Even though there may be only one son, he was still referred to as the “first son”. “First son” was frequently used in biblical times.

Are we not all brothers and sisters of Christ??

As for me personally, it doesn’t make any difference to me whether Jesus had other bloodline brothers and sisters born of his Mother Mary after the virgin birth. My faith is not dependent on the historical value of the Bible. I base my faith on the “messages” that are conveyed to me through holy scripture. I ask the Holy Spirit to give me the knowledge to understand the message that Christ wants me to receive. I am very dedicated to my faith as it pertains to the moral, faith and salvation teachings of Jesus Christ. I may not agree with the church in all areas, but that in no way effects my standing with my Christian beliefs. The Catholic Church is my foundation, and supports me in my quest to become a better Christian, while at the same time seeking entrance into God‘s Kingdom…
 
That was a very good and thorough discussion that supports what the Church has always taught—why can’t the other denominations see the truth?
 
Mama Mary and Papa Joseph, being betrothed, are entitled to do marital rights, but both chose to be chaste; This was before she became theotokos, the Mother of God. It is difficult to imagine somebody whose womb became the “tabernacle of God” and who chose, when she was younger, to know no man, to change her mind. Imagine what metamorphosis she’d been through as mother of God. This question only came up because of what was mentioned in Mt.12:46, Mk. 3:31, and Lk.8:19. But the culture then was tocall relations as brothers and sisters.

This was a hot issue during the early years of the Church. In the 4th century (353-54) 2nd Council of Constatinople, Mama Mary was twice referred to as “ever virgin” The early fathers of the Church, very strong pillars of our Church, like Sts. Athanasius, Epiphanius, Jerome, Augustine Cyril of Alexandria and many others, including the great pioneers of Protestant Reformation, Luther, Zwingli and Calvin, believe inher perpetual virginity.

I feel inadequate to differ from these people. Also, my faith in the Church’s position about Mama Mary is very much a part of me. It was she who brought me and my family to her Son. I seldom ask for her intercession except in most difficult situations. She never failed me.

I wish I could share more. May she intercede powerfully with her Divine Son for you and for all of us in this Forum and our loved ones. Let’s pray for one another.

In Jesus & Mary,

Lino
 
Where are all of the supposed decendants today? Those who can claim that their great, great, etc. uncle was God?
 
Jesus didn’t have brothers/sisters of the blood line. I stated yesterday aboutthe perpetual virginity of Mama Mary. Jesus could only have other brothers and sisters thru her, but she remained a virgin throughout her life.

Also, the fact that among the apostles were brothers who were close to one another, it can be deduced that Jesus,if he had brothers and sisters could be close to them if not closer. It would not also be necessary for Mama to be entrusted to John on the Cross. Surely his brothers will be there.

The last mention about Jesus in the Holy Scriptures prior to His ministry was when he was lost and found in the temple of Jerusalem. If he had brothers/sisters, they could have been with the family.
Hope this simple contribution can add a little help.
 
I agree that Jesus didn’t have any brothers or sisters. An interesting book that substantiates this is “Mystical City of God” by Ven. Mary of Agreda, published by Tan Books.
Another incredible set of books that every Christian should read are the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerick, the obscure and illiterate nun who had the wounds of Christ and was blessed with visions of Jesus’ entire life. She goes into such incredible detail. In fact, archeologists were able to find, just using her description, the house in Ephesus where Mary lived with the Apostle John until the time of her death. At the very least, everyone should read The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord, which details the 24 hour period or so around the Passion. You will learn exactly how much our Lord suffered.
 
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