Did Jesus have human flaws?

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Jesus is God.
God is perfect.

God came down to us as a man. Does that mean that EVERYTHING about Jesus was perfect? Not just his morality.

Was he a perfect carpenter? Did he have perfect skin? Did he have perfect physical condition? etc.

If any of these aren’t perfect, wouldn’t that conflict with his perfect God nature since God doesn’t have any flaw, no matter how minor?
 
Human nature is not God’s nature. The very idea that the Son humbled Himself to assume a hypo static union with human nature is already God lowering Himself. Human nature is less than the fullness of all perfections. I hardly think having imperfect skin or bei g an imperfect carpenter is even measurable compared to the gap between His and man. The Divine nature is perfect. It was not corrupted by God assuming a human nature. Neither would imperfect skin or being a mediocre carpenter result in any corruption to God’s divine nature.
 
When the Son of God became incarnate he added nothing to nor detracted anything from his divine perfection. God’s perfection is simple–it is LOVE, not appears nor abilities nor anything else of the kind.
 
The simple answer is yes, Jesus had them because the Son wanted to take on such flaws. He did not, however, contract them - in everyone else they are an effect of Adam’s sin (to which it seems even Mary was subject without actually contracting the guilt or spiritual stain of original sin) - contraction implies a lack of choice. He CHOSE to have bodily flaws.

There is an entire Question dedicated to this in the Summa.

newadvent.org/summa/4014.htm
 
Ben_Sinner said:
Jesus is God.
God is perfect.

God came down to us as a man. Does that mean that EVERYTHING about Jesus was perfect? Not just his morality.

Was he a perfect carpenter? Did he have perfect skin? Did he have perfect physical condition? etc.

If any of these aren’t perfect, wouldn’t that conflict with his perfect God nature since God doesn’t have any flaw, no matter how minor?
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We should properly understand that Jesus was true man and true God, and as true man, his carpentry would be limited to the general knowledge of carpenters of His time. I cannot imagine that Our Lord would go about telling fellow carpenters about the bending moment or the modulus of elasticity of the Cedars of Lebanon. I would expect that He caught colds and had indigestion, and was otherwise subject to all the ills and problems of human life. “He was like us in all things except sin”.
 
As was noted, Jesus’ human nature, “was like us in all things except sin.”

Yet, with no sin and in perfect harmony with the Divine he met his potential without the baggage and obstacle of sin. Which would negate most flaws I can think of. But one would need to clearly define “flaws.”
 
Yes, perfect God, and yes perfect man
Perfect man in that he fulfilled the fullness of his Father’s will - “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind; and you shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

And that is the perfection he states of us, also, “You must be perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect.” The Heavenly Father is not perfect in having carpentry skills (he is not a carpenter). But he is perfect in pouring his whole being, in love, into his Son and into his creation; “perfect” meaning that he does it all the time as the fullness of his doing. And, we, also, are the ones called to “do Love” all the time as our act of being. That is who we are, but not always completely (which, however, we must be and do).
 
Jesus is the new Adam and not affected by original sin. Since, for example a deformed nose or imperfect skin are consequences of original sin, Jesus was born without such deformities. I recommend the revelations of Catherina Emmerich. She described Jesus in the way he looked. Everything of His body was in perfect harmony, including His facial features.
 
Bill1940 said:
We should properly understand that Jesus was true man and true God, and as true man, his carpentry would be limited to the general knowledge of carpenters of His time. I cannot imagine that Our Lord would go about telling fellow carpenters about the bending moment or the modulus of elasticity of the Cedars of Lebanon. I would expect that He caught colds and had indigestion, and was otherwise subject to all the ills and problems of human life. “He was like us in all things except sin”.
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It is more acceptable to think that Jesus was just a human. As a human Jesus had no any eternal attributes of God. Jesus was sinless and by all other manners Jesus should have flaws because He was merely a human. Can anyone point any divine attribute of Jesus? Christians make it very difficult for themselves. Even if Jesus was an incarnated god(that is impossible) yet Jesus performed such human acts. So it is not important that what was in body of Jesus. A human nature or a divine nature or both together!:confused:Do not forget that many prophets performed miracles and some abnormal actions.
 
hasantas said:
It is more acceptable to think that Jesus was just a human.
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It may be more acceptable, but it’s not true.

Just like: it may be more acceptable to think that a man can sleep with as many women as he wishes…but it’s simply not true.

Or, it may be more acceptable to think that a man can drink as much alcohol as he likes without it impairing him…but it’s simply not true.
 
Ben_Sinner said:
Jesus is God.
God is perfect.

God came down to us as a man. Does that mean that EVERYTHING about Jesus was perfect? Not just his morality.

Was he a perfect carpenter? Did he have perfect skin? Did he have perfect physical condition? etc.

If any of these aren’t perfect, wouldn’t that conflict with his perfect God nature since God doesn’t have any flaw, no matter how minor?
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Yes Jesus was perfect in every way. As far as his skin, etc. You are speaking of perfect in the mind of human ways. Human ways are not the ways of God.

Like a person who is perfect is defined without sin. A mental challenged person is considered perfect in the eyes of God, they cannot feel hate, etc. In the eyes of God they are indeed perfect. In the eyes of society they are truly (name removed by moderator)erfect.
 
Ben_Sinner said:
Jesus is God.
God is perfect.

God came down to us as a man. Does that mean that EVERYTHING about Jesus was perfect? Not just his morality.

Was he a perfect carpenter? Did he have perfect skin? Did he have perfect physical condition? etc.

If any of these aren’t perfect, wouldn’t that conflict with his perfect God nature since God doesn’t have any flaw, no matter how minor?
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Jesus was perfectly good, and that is the only perfection that matters. 🤷
 
Ben_Sinner said:
Jesus is God.
God is perfect.

God came down to us as a man. Does that mean that EVERYTHING about Jesus was perfect? Not just his morality.

Was he a perfect carpenter? Did he have perfect skin? Did he have perfect physical condition? etc.

If any of these aren’t perfect, wouldn’t that conflict with his perfect God nature since God doesn’t have any flaw, no matter how minor?
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If God incarnated so all part of God must be perfect! But it is not. Then Jesus was not God and God did not incarnated or came down. God is not something to be perfect by one way but imperfect by other.
 
hasantas said:
If God incarnated so all part of God must be perfect! But it is not. Then Jesus was not God and God did not incarnated or came down. God is not something to be perfect by one way but imperfect by other.
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As I stated in a previous thread, God the Son neither gained nor lost anything of his divine nature by being incarnate as a man. On the contrary, by taking on man’s nature he raised our nature so that we can share in his divine nature.

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man–a mystery we know through God’s revelation of himself in Christ who did his Father’s will through the power of the Holy Spirit rather than retaining his divine prerogatives, which he again took possession of at his resurrection.
 
Della said:
As I stated in a previous thread, God the Son neither gained nor lost anything of his divine nature by being incarnate as a man. On the contrary, by taking on man’s nature he raised our nature so that we can share in his divine nature.

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man–a mystery we know through God’s revelation of himself in Christ who did his Father’s will through the power of the Holy Spirit rather than retaining his divine prerogatives, which he again took possession of at his resurrection.
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Which part of Jesus is fully divine?
 
hasantas said:
Which part of Jesus is fully divine?
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His divine nature. Jesus wasn’t a demi-god, as in Greek mythology–half human and half god. His human body was a human body with a human mind and will, and still is. His divine nature remained intact, unaffected by his being incarnated as a man. Thus, he is fully God and fully man with two natures in one person.
 
Della said:
His divine nature. Jesus wasn’t a demi-god, as in Greek mythology–half human and half god. His human body was a human body with a human mind and will, and still is. His divine nature remained intact, unaffected by his being incarnated as a man. Thus, he is fully God and fully man with two natures in one person.
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I repeat question. Which part of Jesus is divine? His soul?

You say divine nature got incarnated and became man. So that means the eternal essence transformed to mortal? If the eternal essence did not transform then why to say God became man? …
 
Jesus was one person with a human body and a human soul united to, but not mixed with, the divine intellect and will. The divine intellect and will was part of who Jesus was as a person, and not something separate.
 
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