Did Jesus intentionally destroy a farmer's livelihood by killing all the swine in Mark 5:13?

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My question with that story is - why would the devils who were cast into the swine immediately throw themselves into the lake to be drowned? Wouldn’t they want to keep on living in the pigs?

Maybe someone has a nice useful mishnah on this question.
 
My question with that story is - why would the devils who were cast into the swine immediately throw themselves into the lake to be drowned? Wouldn’t they want to keep on living in the pigs?
Demon pride? 🥴 😖

I mean a guy running around naked among the tombs in shackles is one thing, but a herd of swine?
 
My question with that story is - why would the devils who were cast into the swine immediately throw themselves into the lake to be drowned? Wouldn’t they want to keep on living in the pigs?

Maybe someone has a nice useful mishnah on this question.
One theory I have read is that just as being possessed by this legion of demons made the man insane, screaming and bruising himself with stones, so it also drove the pigs mad, like animals that have been infected with rabies. The man could perhaps resist them enough to keep himself alive and enough to come towards Jesus, but the pigs could not. They also may have been running to the water in an effort to escape phsyical torment, as they might if they were set upon by a swarm of hornets. Pigs can usually swim, so that may have been what they did when they were attacked by insects or predators that didn’t like the water.

The demons, meanwhile, perhaps only cared to inflict torment. They didn’t care if their victims lived or died. Since they asked Jesus if he was tormenting them “before the appointed time,” some conjectured that it was not a matter of whether they would be allowed to stay in the world, but where in the world they would be permitted to roam. They may have chosen the pigs as the place that the Messiah of the Jews would be the most likely to allow them to go.

Notice that these demons are unusual in that they do not immediately leave when commanded to leave by Our Lord. It was a huge infestation of evil in a very inhospitable territory. (The storm had had at them on their way there.) Our Lord is reaching out to Jews who are on the real margins, waaaay outside Jerusalem.

I was ready to respond to those who did not ask,
to be found by those who did not seek me.
I said: Here I am! Here I am!
To a nation that did not invoke my name.
I have stretched out my hands all day
to a rebellious people,
Who walk in a way that is not good,
following their own designs;
people who provoke me
continually to my face,
Offering sacrifices in gardens
and burning incense on bricks,
Sitting in tombs
and spending the night in caves,
Eating the flesh of pigs,
with broth of unclean meat in their dishes

Is 65:1-4
 
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the swine belong to God and He can do whatever he wanted with them including drive demons into them and herd them into the sea.
 
Jesus left in fear of his life.
No… Not according to Sacred Scriptures… 🙂

Jesus was with some of His Apostles… in a boat … fishing … heading across the sea.

When Jesus arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way.

“What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”

Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding.

The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”

He said to them, “Go!”

So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water.

Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men.

Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus.
And when they saw him, they pleaded with him to leave their region.

Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town.

😃
 
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This is one of the passages of the New Testament that seems out of place and a little incredulous. I assume that the passage is using some form of cultural metaphor which is unknown to me.

However I think it is an important question and this type of moral reasoning has been a healthy feature of the Judeo Christian culture for thousands of years.
 
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Now, I imagined the herder of these swine lost his whole livelihood after this. Was Jesus being selfish and inconsiderate to this farmer? What was the rationale behind this?
While that is a possibility, it’s not the only one. It’s also possible the herd was the collective swine of the whole village and that while all the villagers received some financial loss none were bankrupted over it. A third possibility is that the swineherd was owned by a wealthy landowner for whom the loss was a minor inconvenience. A forth possibility was that those were wild swine.

Either way, Jesus didn’t tell the Demons to go into the swine, just to leave the human being they were possessing. While Jesus could have just sent the demons back to Hell, it was still hypocritical of the villagers be angry at him over the pigs. After all, those villagers were more than content to let one of their own suffer being possessed by a thousand demons.
The swine owner was obviously a Gentile [and] … very likely gained his wealth by stealing/extorting Jews’ land in the Holy Land and/or currying favour with the ruling occupying pagan powers. And apparently deliberately trashed the Jewish religion by choosing to farm unclean animals on their land. I wouldn’t feel too sorry for him.
Jesus did not come to drive the Romans out of Israel: he came to save both groups from their real enemy Satan. He ate dinner with a Tax Collector (Zacchaeus), accepted another Tax Collector as His disciple (Matthew), healed a Pagan Woman, praised the faith of a Roman Centurion, and asked God to forgive the legionaries who crucified Him (and one of them - Longinus - became a Saint). Later on he asked a Roman Citizen and Collaborator to follow him (Paul), and told his rock Peter to eat “unclean” animals.
 
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The swine owner was obviously a Gentile. With such a (what was for the time) huge herd of pigs he was probably quite wealthy and very likely gained his wealth by stealing/extorting Jews’ land in the Holy Land and/or currying favour with the ruling occupying pagan powers. And apparently deliberately trashed the Jewish religion by choosing to farm unclean animals on their land. I wouldn’t feel too sorry for him.
You are assuming they had an owner.

Maybe they were a wild herd who were causing a nuisance to farmers.
 
The focus is Faith, Demons, Jesus’ Power.

And those who follow Jesus know that whatever Jesus did or didn’t do - is Perfect

We don’t need Doubt…
I agree. ‘Ten thousand difficulties do not make one doubt.’ - Cardinal Newman
 
This is one of the passages of the New Testament that seems out of place and a little incredulous. I assume that the passage is using some form of cultural metaphor which is unknown to me.
Why does it seem out of place? There are dozens of mentions in the New Testament of driving out demons, who sometimes talk. Why should it be a metaphor? Why do you find it incredible? (I take it that’s what you mean, that YOU are incredulous of it.) What, more incredible than the resurrection of the dead? or a virgin giving birth? Or a stormy sea becoming smooth with one word from our Lord? etc. etc.
 
Why does it seem out of place? There are dozens of mentions in the New Testament of driving out demons, who sometimes talk. Why should it be a metaphor? Why do you find it incredible? (I take it that’s what you mean, that YOU are incredulous of it.) What, more incredible than the resurrection of the dead? or a virgin giving birth? Or a stormy sea becoming smooth with one word from our Lord? etc. etc.
Hello Petergee. Yes I was going to write that it seemed incredulous TO ME but I thought that was a bit redundant.

I think it is incredulous and out of place in the following ways:
  1. It in the only occurrence of demons being driven out of someone to something else.
  2. The fact that it was a group of pigs is also out of place.
  3. The communication between Jesus and the demons where they asked Jesus to go into the pigs is out of place.
  4. The immediate action of the pigs, having their request satisfied then committing mass suicide by jumping off a cliff is out of place.
  5. The fact that all these out of place actions happen with little explanation and detail in a very brief manner does seem to make this passage out of place and incredulous TO ME. 🙂
The Resurrection is what all of the gospels are building up to. It is the main focal point. The virgin birth has more detail and it is placed in the category of fulfilling OT prophecy. It is also central to the idea of the incarnation of God which is another focal point of the gospels. Regarding Jesus calming the storm. You could almost apply a ‘natural’ explanation to that (which I don’t) so it is not really incredulous. The story is repeated in more than one gospel and there is more detail and explained reason for relating the action. There is also another referral back to the OT with the Apostles noting that even the wind and the rain obey Jesus.

All of those examples fit nicely into the overall testimony of the gospel, are fleshed out with detail, and given explanation.
 
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Now, I imagined the herder of these swine lost his whole livelihood after this. Was Jesus being selfish and inconsiderate to this farmer? What was the rationale behind this?
I like to think of it as Jesus delivering this wretched man living in catacombs and tombs from a horde of demons, and then giving him purpose by telling him to spread the gospel of how Jesus had delivered him. Certainly the very public loss of a herd of swine would have provided testament to the fact that this man was indeed delivered. One other thought to consider. This guy was frequently chained up and sent to live among the tombs of the town, rather than be treated with compassion. It is a bit sad that the pigs were likely treated with greater care than he was.
 
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