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Faith1960
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I mean in addition to the Discovery Channel video.
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Faith1960
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In order to draw my own conclusions, I need secular information showing Moses and e
The Exodus existed.
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Bookcat
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Bookcat
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No we are not - it is simply nonsense.
Our knowledge of the existence of Moses is not based on the ideas of this or that archeologist. Or any archeologist.
One simply dismisses such ideas as nonsense -it is not worth ones time and energy.
Like someone asserting that your Mom did not exist - no reason to give them the time of day.
One keeps walking.
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Thorolfr
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One thing that we do know is that even if Moses really existed, the story about him in Exodus has been heavily embellished. It’s not possible for more than 2 million Jews (600,000 men and their families) to have lived in Sinai for 40 years and have left no trace for archaeologists to find.
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Bookcat
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Here is some important aspects of how Catholics approach Sacred Scripture:
Catechism:scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s1c2a3.htm#II
Do not need to get into a debate (no desire or present energy and time either) with you here…one may refer to all sorts of sound orthodox commentaries on Exodus for a full discussion.
I wish you a joyful evening.
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Richca
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No. It is an uninspired opinion that says that the story of the Exodus is heavily embellished which amounts to disbelief in the word of God. Your equating disbelief and opinion with truth and fact and 100% certainty. If the inspiried sacred author embellished the Exodus story, then it would appear that he is not telling the truth and is in error which amounts to God, the principle author of Holy Scripture, to be not telling the truth and is in error. This is inadmissible. I would believe the inspired sacred author over any uninspired opinion. Also, I recommend to anybody reading the bible which is the word of God, that where ever we find something we may deem ‘fantastic’ or unbelievable according to our limited and finite intellect such as may appear in the story of the Exodus or like the prophet Jonah in the belly of the whale, the more we ought to believe it.
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thistle
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Are you trying to suggest that when Jesus talked about Moses he was simply making up stories?
John 5:
43 I came in the name of my Father, but you do not accept me; yet if another comes in his own name, you will accept him.
44 How can you believe, when you accept praise from one another and do not seek the praise that comes from the only God?
45 Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father: the one who will accuse you is Moses, in whom you have placed your hope.
46 For if you had believed Moses, you would have believed me, because he wrote about me.
47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?"
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Faith1960
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No, I just want some secular links that support the Bible.
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pianistclare
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I can’t believe you expect to find any.No, I just want some secular links that support the Bible.
What do you base your faith on?
The news?
Popular opinion?
Or Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium?
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Deconi
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This isn’t a secular site, per se, although riddled with secular-inter-religious debates / debators etc.No, I just want some secular links that support the Bible.
There are none that ‘we’ can recommend unless verified or supported by The Church, because invariably there’s varying opinions and assertions in those secular sites that the Church does not necessarily support, condone or agree to/with.
Research this yourself, then find the counter-argument for it in secular circles until you’ve formed an opinion yourself, THEN bring it here for discussion.
That might be better…
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JB_Brother_4446
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Apparently Jesus believed in a fable.
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thistle
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Secular links??!! Who cares about Discovery Channel or Time?No, I just want some secular links that support the Bible.
Just read your own forum name. That’s all you need!
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thistle
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Apparently Jesus believed in a fable.
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Latinitas
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There are two books I can recommend for this: Kenneth Kitchen’s (world famous Egyptologist) On the Reliability of the Old Testament, and James Hoffmeier’s Israel in Egypt. Both are excellent books written by very competent scholars. I must say, though, that I think Kitchen is a little too free in his exegesis, but that’s another matter. I should say that both of these authors are Protestant, but I don’t think there’s anything in them that’s terribly objectionable. Both of these go about showing that the Old Testament is at least substantially historical.
Here are the links on Amazon (I hope this isn’t against forum rules; if it is I apologize):
Kitchen’s book: amazon.com/Reliability-Old-Testament-K-Kitchen/dp/0802803962/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=51ggoTalyRL&dpSrc=sims&preST=AC_UL320_SR212%2C320&psc=1&refRID=XWBGTA85H545JWX1AK0B
Hoffmeier’s book: amazon.com/Israel-Egypt-Evidence-Authenticity-Tradition/dp/019513088X/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=51iU6a4kJEL&dpSrc=sims&preST=AC_UL320_SR206%2C320&psc=1&refRID=7G62396EQHT0JC66EGQX
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Latinitas
Here are the links on Amazon (I hope this isn’t against forum rules; if it is I apologize):
Kitchen’s book: amazon.com/Reliability-Old-Testament-K-Kitchen/dp/0802803962/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=51ggoTalyRL&dpSrc=sims&preST=AC_UL320_SR212%2C320&psc=1&refRID=XWBGTA85H545JWX1AK0B
Hoffmeier’s book: amazon.com/Israel-Egypt-Evidence-Authenticity-Tradition/dp/019513088X/ref=pd_sim_14_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=51iU6a4kJEL&dpSrc=sims&preST=AC_UL320_SR206%2C320&psc=1&refRID=7G62396EQHT0JC66EGQX
Benedicat Deus,
Latinitas
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PRmerger
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Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead?
If so, what secular sources do you use to confirm this?
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eddie_too
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yes, moses did exist.
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fred_conty
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In one book entitled “Did Moses exist”, the author gave this observation.
In Exodus 24:9-10 it describes how Moses and others saw God.
Then the author says, “Are we to believe this scene represents a historical occurrence? Yet, at John 1:18, we read: ‘No one has ever seen God’”
The author sees in this a contradiction between John and Moses, and then asks the question whether these passages truly represent history.
He obviously doesn’t know his apollegetics, because John and Moses can easily be reconciled.
The author is a very scholarly person in regard to his field of mythology. But I question whether he is qualified to make applications to Christianity since he doesn’t attempt to resolve his misunderstandings of what look like inconsistencies and contradictions. He could have looked it up on the internet.
So the author did not do his Christian research before he wrote which makes one wonder about the whole book.
In Exodus 24:9-10 it describes how Moses and others saw God.
Then the author says, “Are we to believe this scene represents a historical occurrence? Yet, at John 1:18, we read: ‘No one has ever seen God’”
The author sees in this a contradiction between John and Moses, and then asks the question whether these passages truly represent history.
He obviously doesn’t know his apollegetics, because John and Moses can easily be reconciled.
The author is a very scholarly person in regard to his field of mythology. But I question whether he is qualified to make applications to Christianity since he doesn’t attempt to resolve his misunderstandings of what look like inconsistencies and contradictions. He could have looked it up on the internet.
So the author did not do his Christian research before he wrote which makes one wonder about the whole book.
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