Difference between Penal Substitution & Atonement

[whichwaytogo47]

God died on the cross in atonement for our sins. He than brought people from the place of the dead who were in his grace into Heaven to be with Him there until eternity. 2/3 of the angels had chosen to rise to Heaven whereas 1/3 chose to rebel and have eternal damnation in Hell. I am thinking an atonement means that he sacrificed his life on the cross so that when he was resurrected, Jesus could forgive our sins. He could free us from bondage. Favorite prayers are Saint Michael prayer and the Fatima prayer.

So what’s the difference between atonement of our sins and paying the penalty for our sins? I don’t think Protestants believe Jesus is in hell for the sins we committed but merely that he paid the penalty for our sins so that we don’t have to face the penalty and are forgiven as long as we believe in Him.

 

[BridgetN]

Jesus died on the Cross to take away the punishment due to our sins. He opened the gates of Heaven.

 

[guanophore]

paying the penalty for our sins? I don’t think Protestants believe Jesus is in hell for the sins we committed but merely that he paid the penalty for our sins so that we don’t have to face the penalty and are forgiven as long as we believe in Him.

It is an illogical conclusion that has been embraced by many who have been contaminated by the heresies of Calvanism.

Your title holds an important key that is not really included in your post. This concept of “penal substitution” comes from Calvin’s prior vocation as an attorney, and infuses all of his theology. This particular concept is closely connected with Calvin’s idea of the “wrath of God” and the"justice of God". He hates sin, and Jesus’ death satisfied God’s “wrath”. Anyway it is a long story, but the bottom line is it is wrong because Jesus did not act as a penal substitute. Though He carried our sins to the cross, He has not paid the penalty we all deserve, which is eternity in hell.

He went to the place of he righteous dead to preach - what the Jews called Abraham’s bosom, not to the abode of evil.

 

[End_Timer]

Christ underwent the utmost penalty of the law upon grievous sin.
God is Just & can’t “just forgettabout sin” The claims of justice were
ALL met & hence sins may be forgiven.
“All graces, redemptive & sanctifying, stem from this source” CALVARY

 

[whichwaytogo47]

Thanks Bridget and all the replies

 

[thomasaquinas2015]

Penal Substitution is a theory of Atonement. It was proposed by Anselm of Canterbury. Later Calvin appropriated Anselm’s ideas but changed the terminology to that of the criminal law with which he was familiar, he was trained as a lawyer. Secondly no Protestant ever believed that Jesus is in Hell. All Christians know and believe that Jesus Christ was raised from the Dead and is now in Heaven.

Above was my original statement. Anselm of Canterbury proposed something called Satisfaction theory of atonement which was later changed by Calvin into Penal Substitution. Sorry

 

[End_Timer]

You owe a debt which you CAN’T pay
Jesus paid your debt which He didn’t owe

 

[jericho777]

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It is an illogical conclusion that has been embraced by many who have been contaminated by the heresies of Calvanism.

Your title holds an important key that is not really included in your post. This concept of “penal substitution” comes from Calvin’s prior vocation as an attorney, and infuses all of his theology. This particular concept is closely connected with Calvin’s idea of the “wrath of God” and the"justice of God". He hates sin, and Jesus’ death satisfied God’s “wrath”. Anyway it is a long story, but the bottom line is it is wrong because Jesus did not act as a penal substitute. Though He carried our sins to the cross, He has not paid the penalty we all deserve, which is eternity in hell.

He went to the place of he righteous dead to preach - what the Jews called Abraham’s bosom, not to the abode of evil.

Then whats the difference with people doing penance after confession to a priest and Jesus penal substitution?

 

[guanophore]

Then whats the difference with people doing penance after confession to a priest and Jesus penal substitution?

This is a very good question. Sins are forgiven in confession (Catholics call this absolution) where the eternal penalty (death) is covered by the sacrifice of Christ.

Penance is about the temporal consequences for sin to ourselves, others, and the world. It is about making reparation for our wrongdoing, and is part of the healing process.

 

[jericho777]

Jesus is the Kinsman Redeemer paying the price as in the book of Ruth speaking of Boaz as a type of Christ.