Difference between racism and false religions

[thinkandmull]

On one hand there is Vedic Hinduism, who believe there fire sacrifices keeps order in the world

On the other hand you have a German Nazi in the 1930’s, believing that the good of earth requires the supremacy of their race.

Aside from the issue of Nazi’s killing people (for Hindus could kill people as well for religious reasons), are these two ideologies in the same camp of error, or can we make a distinction between them?

 

[Rhubarb]

Wait… Seriously?

 

[Mount_Carmel]

thinkandmull - the Germanic ‘Blut und Boden’ stems from very different sentiments to that of the likes of religious blood sacrifices.

Yes, Germanic folk lore holds to a kind of ‘sacredness’ of their land, but the blood referred to is more one of a recognition of the importance of kinship.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

On one hand there is Vedic Hinduism, who believe there fire sacrifices keeps order in the world

On the other hand you have a German Nazi in the 1930’s, believing that the good of earth requires the supremacy of their race.

Aside from the issue of Nazi’s killing people (for Hindus could kill people as well for religious reasons), are these two ideologies in the same camp of error, or can we make a distinction between them?

And how would your question relate to all the blood sacrifices that fill the pages of the Old Testament?

 

[BackHand]

Yes there is a difference between racism or any corrupt evil regime, and a false religion. First racism is just a symptom of a evil regime, it’s really not necessary to specify it. The difference is, One is motivated by political,nationalistic, narcissistic, and cultural reasons. The other is motivated by religious reasons. Now a government or state could have the potential to become some sort of God, such as in North Korea. But unless they are explicitly motivated by religion it is still just a immoral regime. ISIS on the other hand and their beliefs might be considered a false religion, and a evil regime.

 

[StrawberryJam]

On one hand there is Vedic Hinduism, who believe there fire sacrifices keeps order in the world

On the other hand you have a German Nazi in the 1930’s, believing that the good of earth requires the supremacy of their race.

Aside from the issue of Nazi’s killing people (for Hindus could kill people as well for religious reasons), are these two ideologies in the same camp of error, or can we make a distinction between them?

Can you describe the method you feel is being used?
As a side note, I am very offended you are asking this question. Same camp of errot?
Are you prepared to make a case of suffering that is greater than another type of suffering?

Really, what is your point?

 

[thinkandmull]

I thought about this. Racism would say that all people are not endowed by nature with an equality of basic rights. Now a false religion could claim that a certain color of skin or certain rituals were specially blessed by God supernaturally, and that would not be racism. Muslims don’t believe St. Paul’s teaching in Romans 9 that the Jews are special to God even after Jesus

 

[WonderAndAwe]

So when you say “false religion” you mean something different than just “not Catholic?” Like that to be a religion by dictionary definition alone, a movement must fit a criteria and a false religion misses one of those criteria test still claims status as a religion?

 

[openmind77]

On one hand there is Vedic Hinduism, who believe there fire sacrifices keeps order in the world

On the other hand you have a German Nazi in the 1930’s, believing that the good of earth requires the supremacy of their race.

Aside from the issue of Nazi’s killing people (for Hindus could kill people as well for religious reasons), are these two ideologies in the same camp of error, or can we make a distinction between them?

So would you say a religion that claims that its people are ‘chosen’ over all others is a form of racism and that the killing of men, women, children, babies in villages or performing animal sacrifices makes it a ‘false’ religion? Or would you start with the premise that it is a ‘true’ religion and then say the racism or murders or strange blood sacrifices are justified on this basis?

BTW, here is a comparison of Christianity and Hinduism that you may find interesting: www.hinduismexposed.org

 

[thinkandmull]

Alfred Rosenberg, the guy who most promoted Nazism in Germany, say “Today there awakes a new faith; the myth of the blood, the faith to defend with one’s blood the divine essence within the human being.” According to the book *Hitler’s Philosophers *he believed the each race had a soul and it wasn’t their fault if their soul was set against the Jewish race’s soul.

This shows where false religions lead

 

[openmind77]

Alfred Rosenberg, the guy who most promoted Nazism in Germany, say “Today there awakes a new faith; the myth of the blood, the faith to defend with one’s blood the divine essence within the human being.” According to the book *Hitler’s Philosophers *he believed the each race had a soul and it wasn’t their fault if their soul was set against the Jewish race’s soul.

This shows where false religions lead

I have never heard of Nazism described as a religion before, but one learns something new everyday.

However I believe in the 1940s, most Germans (including Nazis) considered themselves to be Christian (about 35% Catholic).

 

[inocente]

On one hand there is Vedic Hinduism, who believe there fire sacrifices keeps order in the world

On the other hand you have a German Nazi in the 1930’s, believing that the good of earth requires the supremacy of their race.

Aside from the issue of Nazi’s killing people (for Hindus could kill people as well for religious reasons), are these two ideologies in the same camp of error, or can we make a distinction between them?

On one hand there are Christians who believe their missionary zeal keeps order in the world

On the other hand you have a German Nazi in the 1930’s, believing that the good of earth requires the supremacy of their race.

Aside from the issue of Nazi’s killing people (for Christians could kill people as well for religious reasons), are these two ideologies in the same camp of error, or can we make a distinction between them?

Dear Hindu Friends, The Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue joyfully greets all of you on the festive occasion of Deepavali, celebrated on 23 October this year. May the Transcendent Light illumine your hearts, homes and communities, and may all your celebrations deepen the sense of belonging to one another in your families and neighbourhoods, and so further harmony and happiness, peace and prosperity. - vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc_20141020_deepavali-2014_en.html

Racism would say that all people are not endowed by nature with an equality of basic rights. Now a false religion could claim that a certain color of skin or certain rituals were specially blessed by God supernaturally, and that would not be racism.

Sexism would say that all people are not endowed by nature with an equality of basic rights. Now a false religion could claim that only men could be priests and specially blessed by God supernaturally, and that would not be sexism.

Quoting the Hindu scriptures, [a distinguished Hindu statesman] said, “‘Where women are honored, there the gods are pleased.’ Men and women are equal in the eyes of God and religions should respect that,” adding that the time has now come for the women priests and bishops. He pointed out that the Catholic Church, being the largest religious organization in the world, should show exemplary leadership on the equality of women to the rest of the world. - bltnotjustasandwich.com/2012/04/23/hindus-urge-pope-to-reconsider-ordination-of-women-priests/

Just saying there are always other points of view.

 

[Clinias]

The Hebrews, the Jews, also thought themselves superior:

The Israelites, a subnation of the Hebrews and specifically the tribe of the Jews manifested the consciousness of racialism or an ethnocentrism because they thought “themselves superior people thanks to the fact that God had revealed to them the one true religion with its superior law”. (Cosgrove) Philo affirms this teaching among his people.
Jacob is the third patriarch of the Israelite race. He was father of the twelve tribes of Israel. He was the second of two twins; the first-born being Esau.

In theSeptuagint, Genesis 25.23, God blessed Jacob with being superior to his brother, i.e.:
“And the Lord said to her, There are two nations in thy womb and two peoples shall be separated from thy belly, and one people shall excel the other, and the elder shall serve the younger”.

• LXX (Septuagint), Ex. 19.5 “…ye shall be to me a peculiar people above nations for all the earth is mine”
• LXX, Ex 33:16 “And how shall it be surely known, that both I and this people have found favor with thee, …So both I and thy people shall be glorified **beyond all **the nations, as many as are upon the earth.”
• LXX, Deut. 26:19 “…and that thou shouldest be above all nations, as he has made thee renowned, and a boast, and glorious.”
• LXX, Deut. 28:13 “The Lord thy God make thee the head, and not the tail: and thou shalt then be above and thou shalt not be below…”
• LXX Deut. 28.1 “…that the Lord thy God shall set thee on high above all the nations of the earth.”
• LXX Psalm 131.13-14 “For the Lord has elected Sion, he has chosen her for a habitation for himself, saying (14) This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have chosen it.”
• LXX, Isaih. 43.20-21 “…to give drink to** my chosen race**.”

In his article, Charles H. Cosgrove, “Did Paul Value Ethnicity”, (The Catholic Biblical Quarterly 68,2006) points out that the Jews, the Romans and the Greeks all thought themselves superior to other people. Thinking that your race is superior to others is normal human psychology. The Japanese think themselves superior to other people. The Bible condones it with the Jews. They are made superior.

This is called “racialism”. It is perfectly alright.