Difference between SSPX and Henry VIII's anglican church?

[pnewton]

I cannot speak for anyone, but some possibilities are as follows: Concern for the truth. Inclination toward justice. Gratitude for fidelity. Admiration for clarity. Love of neighbor. Love of God. Love of the Church…

Great reasons for standing by the Catholic Church, if one believes in the Catholic Church. The reason I can not understand why one would do the same for the SSPX is that it is not the Catholic Church, unless one believes it to be the one, true Catholic Church.

 

[BrendanD]

Great reasons for standing by the Catholic Church, if one believes in the Catholic Church. The reason I can not understand why one would do the same for the SSPX is that it is not the Catholic Church, unless one believes it to be the one, true Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church says that the SSPX matter is internal to the Catholic Church. Internal, as in, inside. Not outside.

People that go to the SSPX do not think that the SSPX is the “one true church”, by the way.

 

[pnewton]

The Catholic Church says that the SSPX matter is internal to the Catholic Church. Internal, as in, inside. Not outside…

You miss the point, so let me re-cap the last few posts. Binx was responding to what I said about being an* apologist* for the SSPX. He thinks this is a reasonable thing to do. I go to one of two smaller parishes in my community. I can not imagine being an apologist for my parish and oppose those of another parish. Do Franciscans go on the offense against Dominicans? Does EWTN have an apologists that elevates them over CAF?

That is all I was saying initially. The SSPX from one side gives lip service to the papacy and states they are inside the Catholic Church. From the other side they speak ill of the Church and try to convert faithful Catholics into their fold.

 

[BrendanD]

That is all I was saying initially. The SSPX from one side gives lip service to the papacy and states they are inside the Catholic Church. From the other side they speak ill of the Church and try to convert faithful Catholics into their fold.

You’re speaking as if the SSPX are not Catholics. The Church considers them to be internal to the Church, yet some here declare that they’re “outside the Church” on their own authority.

The SSPX openly admit that they disagree with certain actions and opinions of the Popes. I think that honesty is valuable over the many bishops who pay lip service to the Pope while actually ignoring his teachings and the Church’s.

 

[Walking_Home]

You’re speaking as if the SSPX are not Catholics. The Church considers them to be internal to the Church, yet some here declare that they’re “outside the Church” on their own authority.

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Yes — that has been clarified. The situation with the SSPX is an internal matter.

 

[Binx]

Great reasons for standing by the Catholic Church, if one believes in the Catholic Church. The reason I can not understand why one would do the same for the SSPX is that it is not the Catholic Church

Yes, quite true. The SSPX is not the Catholic Church. Bp Williamson goes out of his way, accordingly, to make this very same point. He has said the exact same words.

The Society of St. Pius X is no more to be equated with the whole of the Catholic Church than, say, the Society of Jesus. Well, on second thought … No, just kidding; I’ll assume that there must be some good Jesuits left (although I don’t know of any personally). I do know for certain, however, that the priests of the SSPX are as good as they come, or at least perceptibly better than any other variety I have met in my near 20 years as a Catholic. But the larger point is that no one order within the Church is to assume for itself the stature of the Church as a whole. Nor would the SSPX dream of doing so.

 

[pnewton]

You’re speaking as if the SSPX are not Catholics. The Church considers them to be internal to the Church, yet some here declare that they’re “outside the Church” on their own authority.

There status is not the same as the Anglican Church.

 

[Binx]

There status is not the same as the Anglican Church.

Um. True.

 

[BrendanD]

There status is not the same as the Anglican Church.

Quite right

 

[Ad_Deum]

Peace to all!

In my opinion, SSPX is traditional Catholic yet not in communion with Rome. Liturgically I agree with them, but some of their doctrines are contrary to the Holy Scripture, but not with Pre-Vatican 2 Catholic doctrines. The Anglican church, depends on what group we are talking about, some groups are very traditional Catholic in liturgy and some doctrines (except on the issue of celibacy), and some are very liberal (ordains woman to the priesthood). Both are good groups, for me its not the matter of which Church is good or bad, but which church faithfully teaches the Holy Scripture and adheres to the teachings of the Church Fathers. Some may say both are Schimatics, others may say Anglicans are heretics, but in the end we should go back from the start why these two liturgical groups seperated from the Roman Church. This is only in my humble opinion.

May the Lord God bless and keep you.

Frater