Different times, different "weights"

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I was wondering if slavery was all that bad in it’s time; for example, people living in hunter-gatherer societies, different tribes, competing on the same resources, it was common practice as it is proven now (no natural paradise…) that they killed people from other tribes, to keep the numbers low; wars or to prove manhood, etc.
Now there show up some guys who tell them: do not kill those guys but better tie them up and bring them here and I’l pay you etc.
If you take it like this doesn’t look that bad;
 
I was wondering if slavery was all that bad in it’s time; for example, people living in hunter-gatherer societies, different tribes, competing on the same resources, it was common practice as it is proven now (no natural paradise…) that they killed people from other tribes, to keep the numbers low; wars or to prove manhood, etc.
Now there show up some guys who tell them: do not kill those guys but better tie them up and bring them here and I’l pay you etc.
If you take it like this doesn’t look that bad;
Yes. Slavery was and is bad. It broke up families. Slave masters killed the weak in front of their families. Owners worked slaves, who are human beings made in God’s image, like animals. They were property. They were beaten, some to death. They were raped by their owners. They were at the the mercy of their owners. Yes in their homelands they did have to compete for food and resources…BUT THEY WERE FREE. If they couldn’t find any peace or any food they simply moved around. Yes they killed people to survive. Isn’t that what we do today in America? Some carry guns 24/7 because they are afraid someone will kill them so they are prepared to kill. As far as servants go in the time of Jesus they were considered servants. They were their Masters friends. They WANTED and ENJOYED working for their Masters. They were employees. They had days off to rest and do what they please. It was their time to do what they wanted.

There is no “natural paradise” on Earth only in Heaven.
 
Two words:

Human dignity.

God made us in his image, unless that image is currency it’s still bad.:banghead:
 
Keep in mind that the slavery practiced in more recent times by Europeans was a completely different thing than what was called slavery in the ancient near east. What we see happening, even at the time of Jesus, is more of a sort of indentured servitude. If you owed someone a debt, you might contract to work for them for a certain period of time until the debt was paid off. This was relatively common in the ancient world and is nowhere near the kind of practice of thinking that people could own other people.

-ACEGC
 
Slavery is wrong. Period.
Again, that depends on the definition of the word. Owning people and buying and selling them like livestock is an affront to human dignity. Entering into a bilateral contract with someone to work a specified period to pay off a loan is not an affront to human dignity. That they both happen to go by the same name is probably unfortunate, but the former is the slavery practiced in the Americas, and the latter in the ancient world.

-ACEGC
 
Keep in mind that the slavery practiced in more recent times by Europeans was a completely different thing than what was called slavery in the ancient near east.
Any time, not just on CAF but anywhere when slavery in biblical times is brought up, there will always be those who try to compare it to indentured servitude. The problem is the Bible counters that claim. It’s important that this “slavery was different then” assertion is refuted.

This is most evident in Exodus 21:20-21 “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.” That is not indentured servitude. That is brutal, vile slavery.
 
I was wondering if slavery was all that bad in it’s time; for example, people living in hunter-gatherer societies, different tribes, competing on the same resources, it was common practice as it is proven now (no natural paradise…) that they killed people from other tribes, to keep the numbers low; wars or to prove manhood, etc.
Now there show up some guys who tell them: do not kill those guys but better tie them up and bring them here and I’l pay you etc.
If you take it like this doesn’t look that bad;
Well, if the choice is- starve to death, be killed, or sign up as a slave- then slavery is the best out of several bad options. A lot of people actually sold themselves as slaves, if they were on hard times. It meant they were fed and safe. There is mention too about a freed slave, who might prefer to stay in service.

There is something in Sirach about treating a slave as a brother. Joseph and Daniel were both treated well as slaves. I don’t think we can condemn David and Solomon in retrospect for owning slaves.

But slavery is always bad. There is a kind of slavery going today- where people get paid just enough to cover their living expenses (and possibly indulge in some mind-numbing recreation), doing a job they couldn’t care less about. Sure, for some people it is possible to change jobs, get promoted, etc. But for others, working life is a vicious circle (and not only in developing countries)

On a deeper level, there is a kind of metaphysical slavery attached to being in human, at least while we are in the body. We must eat, and therefore we must work (for most people). As Job says: “Is human life nothing but forced servitude, or hired labour, like a slave sighing for the shade?”

In an ideal world, everyone could chose their own destiny and realise their own vocation. Anything less than that (which is the case for many people) is a kind of slavery.
 
I was wondering if slavery was all that bad in it’s time; for example, people living in hunter-gatherer societies, different tribes, competing on the same resources, it was common practice as it is proven now (no natural paradise…) that they killed people from other tribes, to keep the numbers low; wars or to prove manhood, etc.
Now there show up some guys who tell them: do not kill those guys but better tie them up and bring them here and I’l pay you etc.
If you take it like this doesn’t look that bad;
Judge people as you like to be judged. Treat people as you like to be treated.
 
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