Different types of liturgies

[I_Thirst]

Another way to find ad orientem liturgy is to seek out the Byzantine Rite. Preferably you could find one of the Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with Rome …]

There are several other Rites used by Eastern Catholic Churches, and I am sure you can find ad orientem in most of them. It is the ancient way of celebration.

Yes. Ad orientem is the norm – as it has been for most Catholic Churches in the past.

The Byzantine Rite uses the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom, which is very old and very traditional. If one wishes to worship in a traditional way, the Eastern Catholic Churches offer an option to the OF.

 

[Stephen_W]

Another way to find ad orientem liturgy is to seek out the Byzantine Rite. Preferably you could find one of the Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with Rome, but in a pinch, you could visit an Eastern Orthodox church.

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How can one find an Eastern Catholic Church or one in the Byzantine Rite?

 

[Elizium23]

Google is your friend. First, you should know which Churches to search for. There are 22 Eastern Catholic Churches; a list can be found here at Wikipedia. Note the population numbers for each. You will have the best luck finding Byzantine-Ruthenian, Ukranian Greek Catholic, and Melkite communities. The Byzantine Ruthenian Church is known in the USA simply as the “Byzantine Catholic Church”. The next step is to find your eparchy or diocese (same kind of structure.) You are from Pennsylvania, and there happens to be the seat of a Byzantine-Ruthenian archeparchy in Pittsburgh. Once you have that eparchial website, you can easily find a list of parishes affiliated with it and possibly their websites. It’s probably best to call ahead for a firm list of liturgy times. Divine Liturgy is typically celebrated once, on Sunday mornings, with other liturgical services such as Matins and Vespers during the week, and the possibility of a Presanctified Liturgy (which is like a communion service, no consecration) also during the week.

For more information, see the Eastern Catholicism forum here on Catholic Answers!

 

[ProVobis]

I guess my question is how do I find an Extraordinary Form that is in English?

Not only must it be in Latin but much of the Trent Mass HAS to be said in a low tone.

Per Trent:

CANON IX.–If any one saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vulgar tongue only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema.

So there isn’t any such thing as a Tridentine Mass in English as the whole idea was to stay out of the translation business and keep the Mass as error-free as possible. However, you can follow along in your favorite translation but there is no official translation.

 

[Rolltide]

Not only must it be in Latin but much of the Trent Mass HAS to be said in a low tone.

Per Trent:

So there isn’t any such thing as a Tridentine Mass in English as the whole idea was to stay out of the translation business and keep the Mass as error-free as possible. However, you can follow along in your favorite translation but there is no official translation.

Actually, you are wrong. In the past, there were very rare provisions for the Extraordinary Form to be said under very special circumstances in the vernacular. However, the restrictions were so great that you’d likely never see one performed.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Actually, you are wrong. In the past, there were very rare provisions for the Extraordinary Form to be said under very special circumstances in the vernacular. However, the restrictions were so great that you’d likely never see one performed.

I don’t see the point in making known tiny exceptions that don’t really further things.

 

[ProVobis]

Actually, you are wrong. In the past, there were very rare provisions for the Extraordinary Form to be said under very special circumstances in the vernacular. However, the restrictions were so great that you’d likely never see one performed.

No doubt. And it was probably for those who thought they knew better than Trent and threatened to take their churches with them.

 

[Rolltide]

No doubt. And it was probably for those who thought they knew better than Trent and threatened to take their churches with them.

According to Wikipedia:

“In most countries, the language used for celebrating the Tridentine Mass was (and is) Latin. However, in Dalmatia (corresponding approximately to present-day Croatia) the liturgy was celebrated in Church Slavonic, and authorisation for use of this language was extended to some other Slavic regions between 1886 and 1935.”

This actually sounds like there may have been some Orthodox or Eastern Catholic influence in there somewhere, since Church Slavonic is a Catholic liturgical language as well, used in the East.

 

[tradcathconvert]

According to Wikipedia:

“In most countries, the language used for celebrating the Tridentine Mass was (and is) Latin. However, in Dalmatia (corresponding approximately to present-day Croatia) the liturgy was celebrated in Church Slavonic, and authorisation for use of this language was extended to some other Slavic regions between 1886 and 1935.”

This actually sounds like there may have been some Orthodox or Eastern Catholic influence in there somewhere, since Church Slavonic is a Catholic liturgical language as well, used in the East.

Thank you for the info, Rolltide. That is what I was thinking of when I made my other post in this thread, but, for the life of me, I couldn’t remember it was Church Slavonic.