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Needy1
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Who does inflict that pain to the damned?
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Ann_Stanton
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The sinners do that to themselves.
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StarMapp
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1/ They were not accused, but are now in a certain state, and they do not inherit the sins of their ancestors, but they are weakened and more prone to consensual sin due to their being tainted through the original sin of Adam. Remember the Saints were all tainted(except the Virgin Mary) as well.
2/The non-elected can be saved. Our Lord’s plan is for all that are created in His image should join him in heaven. He can be persuaded. The good news is just that, that WE can turn things around for us and others, through our works,our pleas, and through the allegiance to His Son and Church. Due to his friendship with God, Abraham was able to persuade God to save the Sodomites if he finds just 10 righteous people in Sodom. His revelation must have been that he could even work to change the odds that a Devine decision already made can be changed. How happy he must have been!. We know that his relationship with God was a good one prior to his asking. This was the key. Giving up is not an option. “The reprobate needs to conduct himself in a way that he is NOT a reprobate to be saved” a priest once told me. I guess this means that God in a way is saying in so many ways “Oh, yea, then prove your not”. The mother who asked Jesus to save her dying daughter is another example of persuasion. Jesus said it was not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs. This could have been an indication of her disposition in the eyes of God, or a test of resolve. Her response was one of determination and a last hope. She said, “Yes, it is Lord, but even dogs get to eat what falls off the master’s table”
She was granted her wish.
A whole floodgate of possibilities was opened up for us since His Son redeemed us. All we need to do is be careful and remain in friendship with God. If we stumble then we need to ask for repentance through the Sacrament born for that purpose. The movement toward Reconciliation expresses that hope and determination to stay unblemished. We ARE now deserving and He can see we don’t deserve the fate of the Sodomites.
You can find information on this topic through Summa Theologica, the works of Thomas Aquinas.
2/The non-elected can be saved. Our Lord’s plan is for all that are created in His image should join him in heaven. He can be persuaded. The good news is just that, that WE can turn things around for us and others, through our works,our pleas, and through the allegiance to His Son and Church. Due to his friendship with God, Abraham was able to persuade God to save the Sodomites if he finds just 10 righteous people in Sodom. His revelation must have been that he could even work to change the odds that a Devine decision already made can be changed. How happy he must have been!. We know that his relationship with God was a good one prior to his asking. This was the key. Giving up is not an option. “The reprobate needs to conduct himself in a way that he is NOT a reprobate to be saved” a priest once told me. I guess this means that God in a way is saying in so many ways “Oh, yea, then prove your not”. The mother who asked Jesus to save her dying daughter is another example of persuasion. Jesus said it was not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs. This could have been an indication of her disposition in the eyes of God, or a test of resolve. Her response was one of determination and a last hope. She said, “Yes, it is Lord, but even dogs get to eat what falls off the master’s table”
She was granted her wish.
A whole floodgate of possibilities was opened up for us since His Son redeemed us. All we need to do is be careful and remain in friendship with God. If we stumble then we need to ask for repentance through the Sacrament born for that purpose. The movement toward Reconciliation expresses that hope and determination to stay unblemished. We ARE now deserving and He can see we don’t deserve the fate of the Sodomites.
You can find information on this topic through Summa Theologica, the works of Thomas Aquinas.
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Vico
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The damned are not spiritual but natural so do not know the Most Holy Trinity.
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Needy1
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Are you saying that names of the non-elected can be wrote in the book of life after the non-elected be born? I hope so
(The non-elected I said mean the people that their names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of world.)
Also I did read all of texts you have wrote. Thanks for a post.
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Needy1
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Are you saying that God himself would inflict a pain to the damned? And the damned will not recognize where a pain coming from, after their death, you mean?
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sjones17515
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No. The pain in Hell is not inflicted at all. It is a natural part of their state of being totally separated from God.
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StarMapp
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There are some that will be lost, but not those that were headed for destruction but turned their life around. Aquinas makes it clear and so I recommend Summa(Predestination) at New Advent. I think I read a narrative form explanation once, perhaps Augustine, can’t be sure.
If we are here, then we have a chance. That is the line thrown to us, it’s just a tip of a frayed cord that we deserve and now we can barely hold on, but the Lord says it is enough for us sinners.
If we are here, then we have a chance. That is the line thrown to us, it’s just a tip of a frayed cord that we deserve and now we can barely hold on, but the Lord says it is enough for us sinners.
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Vico
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Would means directly willed, but damnation is not directly willed for an individual but rather free will is. The consequence of free will is damnation sometimes, by the individual choice not to be charitible.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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It’s a natural consequence.
For instance, you have an alcoholic father who makes everybody in the family cover for him and deny his alcoholism because if word got out, it could cost him his job.
So, the kids learn to be cagey and protective, and these are habits that stick.
It isn’t God up in Heaven “smiting” people for their parents’ sins. Sin drags its own slimey trail behind it.
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Needy1
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Ty for the posts. I did read all the comments. The topic can be closed now.
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