Disagreeing with encyclicals/things in the Catechism

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1783 Conscience must be informed and moral judgment enlightened. … The education of the conscience is a lifelong task.
This is why Canon Law, as quoted earlier, uses the word “obstinate” in its definition of heresy. As long as one is still living, and still attempting to understand better the teaching of the Church, there is no obstinate denial of anything. I still believe there is a kernel of truth in what the deacon said. On must ultimately act in accord to conscience, but this entails the responsibility of forming that conscience, even if it takes a lifetime.
 
This is why Canon Law, as quoted earlier, uses the word “obstinate” in its definition of heresy.
Heresy…of course is not the only question…assent is not just associated with heresy or not…
 
This is why Canon Law, as quoted earlier, uses the word “obstinate” in its definition of heresy. As long as one is still living, and still attempting to understand better the teaching of the Church, there is no obstinate denial of anything. I still believe there is a kernel of truth in what the deacon said. On must ultimately act in accord to conscience, but this entails the responsibility of forming that conscience, even if it takes a lifetime.
I agree with you that there was a kernel of truth, but he applied it too widely. Thanks for all of the replies. I think now that a “moral compass” is necessary in that we all live unique lives and will therefore encounter unique situations and we must be well-equipped to handle them. But where the deacon crossed the line was in saying that Catholics may act in ways contrary to explicit Catholic teaching (such as hormonal contraception) if their conscience says it’s okay.

Thanks especially to the person who cleared up the issue re: slavery. I can see where the deacon might have gone wrong. This was an important point for me.
 
He sounds kind of upset with the Saracens, etc., there …

Good. 🙂

I think that if you look at the whole context there, you see that Pope Nicholas was not issuing an infallible decree - indeed, he seems to be treading on ground where he doesn’t belong - the affairs of state during a time of war - and we know that when Popes speak outside of their jurisdiction, they cannot speak infallibly - especially when what they are saying is opposed to the doctrine of the Apostles, in this case, that of the brotherhood of all humanity in Christ.

Clearly, the Church of the time didn’t mistake it for such, either, although at the same time, I don’t doubt that the armies of whatever country he was speaking to did indeed take slaves from among their enemies, and justified themselves by saying that the Pope told them to do it - it was an imprudent thing for him to say, but thinking people of today can surely figure out that he was not actually promulgating Church doctrine at the time.
Indeed, but when thing like this happens, and you are not ignorant of history, its easy to see where confusion may occur. I have a list a mile long on mistakes made by religious leaders, all major religions anyway, and people use them to justify all kinds of things.

The real trick is to know your history, both the good and the bad, and still manage to keep your faith that (in my case) being a member of the Catholic church is the right thing, not always easy but anything worth having is never easy.

Peace

Dom.
 
The Catechism is a “sure norm” for teaching the Catholic Faith

There are various kinds of teaching within the Catechism…

We are to *assent *to the various kinds of things with the assent proper to each…for example: some things are to be given the obedience of Faith or again as another example (not the only one) some things are to be given “religious assent of intellect and will”…

It is not a “picking and choosing” of course…but rather the assent of a Christian proper to each…

For example…some particular social doctrine will require the religious assent of intellect and will…where as some other teaching is to receive the assent of Faith…such as the fact that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God and rose from the dead…
This document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith will help:

ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFADTU.HTM
 
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