Disagreement on what is sin?

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Here is a weird question:

Say there is a person who really loves God, but is having issues as far as trying to determine what is sinful and what isn’t. Take for example someone who is told that gambling was sinful (I know it’s not, it’s just an example) and they really looked at it, and despite what the church says, still disagrees with the statement, and it’s also not an infallible statement that it is indeed sinfu, even though there is a history of it being “wrong”. But this person is very devoted to God, and is alwaqys asking forgiveness for sins he or she committed without knowing it or aware it was sinful, and even praying that the area where he or she disagrees, that God would change his or her heart abut the issue if it is indeed wrong. Even to the point of admitting this in confession.
 
Delphinus85 said:
Here is a weird question:

Say there is a person who really loves God, but is having issues as far as trying to determine what is sinful and what isn’t. Take for example someone who is told that gambling was sinful (I know it’s not, it’s just an example) and they really looked at it, and despite what the church says, still disagrees with the statement, and it’s also not an infallible statement that it is indeed sinfu, even though there is a history of it being “wrong”. But this person is very devoted to God, and is alwaqys asking forgiveness for sins he or she committed without knowing it or aware it was sinful, and even praying that the area where he or she disagrees, that God would change his or her heart abut the issue if it is indeed wrong. Even to the point of admitting this in confession.
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What’s the question? 🙂
 
Mortal sin requires full knowledge and consent of the will in committing a gravely sinful act. If someone is misinformed and therefore honestly ignorant of the truth, or if one does not fully understand the Church’s teaching on a matter, then one’s knowledge and consent cannot be complete, and therefore the sin cannot be mortal.

It is mortal sin that separates us from God; venial sin (which an objectively mortal sin would be if all three prerequisites are not present) does not damn us.

Peace,
Dante
 
sorry, the question is, do you think God is understanding that this person really is trying, but is really having a hard time and is trying to serve him? basically, will this person be able to be blessed by God, and share eternity with him in heaven? Or is this person cursed just because he or she “didn’t get it”?
 
since God sees all, understands all and knows all, yes he is aware of all this person’s struggles and of the state of this person’s soul. The person has the duty to properly inform his conscience and if he does not know whether an action is sinful, he should take steps to find out, preferably by using a good guide to examination of conscience, or just asking the priest in confession. No one is condemned for something that might possibly be a sin, or by accident, or by ignorance, but by full free-will rejection of God at the moment of death and judgement.
 
Gambling is a sin.
Secondly, you can only be put back in Grace with God through Confession & by doing so you make a promise to try to avoid situations of sin.
Something is not a sin for you if you are not aware that it is a sin, but also not attempting to examine your conscience and being ignorant of what’s good & bad is also sinful.

JMJ
 
what if that person was told by a priest that the particular action is sinful, but has no feeling on it whatsoever. No guilt, and can’t see the logic of why it is wrong.
 
Ummm…obviously a lack of a conscience…
wrong is wrong it doesn’t matter how you feel-IT’s WRONG if it breaks the Divine Law!!
Many people today live by what feels right, but we can train our consciences to feel good about everything (wrong or right)
 
BloodStaindRose said:
Gambling is a sin.
JMJ
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source please for this statement, preferably from CCC. no gambling is not a sin. some behaviors associated with gambling may be, and it may be an occasion of sin for some people, but it is not a sin by itself. confession is the ordinary way in which a Catholic in a state of mortal sin is returned to a state of grace, but it is not the only way. God gave us the sacraments but he is not bound by the sacraments, and may bestow his grace on whomever he pleases in any way he pleases.
 
Delphinus85 said:
what if that person was told by a priest that the particular action is sinful, but has no feeling on it whatsoever. No guilt, and can’t see the logic of why it is wrong.
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if this person is admittedly having problems distinguishing right from wrong he or she is obligated to find a trusted priest for a confessor and follow his guidance. He is not free to weigh his actions based on feelings. He is required to assume that the Church in her wisdom, 2000 yr old teaching on God’s commandments and experience healing sinners is wiser than his own logic.
 
puzzleannie said:
source please for this statement, preferably from CCC. no gambling is not a sin. some behaviors associated with gambling may be, and it may be an occasion of sin for some people, but it is not a sin by itself. confession is the ordinary way in which a Catholic in a state of mortal sin is returned to a state of grace, but it is not the only way. God gave us the sacraments but he is not bound by the sacraments, and may bestow his grace on whomever he pleases in any way he pleases.
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Paragraph #2413 of The Catechsim of the Catholic Church tells us that games of chance or wagers are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable (therefore sinful) when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. It is this abuse that causes a problem. In addition, unfair wagers and cheating at games constitute grave matter.
 
BloodStaindRose said:
Paragraph #2413 of The Catechsim of the Catholic Church tells us that games of chance or wagers are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable (therefore sinful) when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. It is this abuse that causes a problem. In addition, unfair wagers and cheating at games constitute grave matter.
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This does not say gambling per se is a sin!
 
BloodStaindRose said:
Gambling is a sin.
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Really? Where did you find that?

The Catechism:
2413 Games of chance (card games, etc.) or wagers are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. The passion for gambling risks becoming an enslavement. Unfair wagers and cheating at games constitute grave matter, unless the damage inflicted is so slight that the one who suffers it cannot reasonably consider it significant.
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Gambling is not inherently sinful unless one’s winnings come at the expense of someone else not being able to provide for their own needs and responsibilities, and as long as one does not allow oneself to become enslaved by gambling, and as long as one is not cheating.

Peace,
Dante
 
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