Discalced Carmelites Third Order

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What is the difference in terms of autonomy and organisation between the secular Franciscan and the Discalced Carmelites?

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Cloisters is the de facto expert on religious orders here on CAF. I just ‘paged’ her to answer your question.

She should see it soon
 
Thank you cloisters so basically the Friars have (name removed by moderator)uts on their organisation, activities…
 
I’ll address 3rd Orders here;

Generally, Franciscans are an order focuses serving the poor. They serve in soup kitchens, visit the sick etc. The 3rd order community will vary, but this will be the focus of their activity. They will also embrace contemplation, but according to their constitution. They have a formation period and then they make promises.

Discalced Carmelites(OCDS) communities are focused on Contemplative Prayer as taught by St Teresa of Avila and St John of the Cross.

The Constitution for Secular Order Carmelites focus on prayer, living a life of spiritual poverty, chastity and obedience to rightful authority in the Church. They have a strong devotion to the Blessed Mother and wear the Scapular.

Charity and help for the poor is less an activity, but done outside of organized groups as the Franciscans would do.

This website will give you more information and is up to date. Some of the members were formerly members of my community which disbanded over 10 years ago.


Remember, it’s a vocation according to your state in life. Pope John Paul II was a 3rd Order Discalced Carmelite.

As a lay person, you can become a 3rd Order Secular Member.

Jim
 
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The Discalced Carmelites are a religious order. which has Papal Approval and their head is in Rome.

The Providence for the USA is located in Washington DC.

This website gives you all the information about them


Jim
 
If you feel called to the Discalced Carmelites, be sure you go to the websites I provided.

Do not join an “associated,” order of Carmelites which exists. They are not official Discalced Carmelite Orders, and only have approval by the local Bishop. I have seen them disbanded by local Bishops for various reasons.

The official Discalced Carmelites, report directly to the Pope and a community is less likely to be dissolved by a local Bishop.

Jim
 
My organization has a letter-of-kinship secular institute called the Teresian Adorers of the Holy Eucharist. They are based in the Diocese of St. Augustine, FL. All of their founding members were OCDS. When they decided to found the secular institute, they had to leave the OCDS.

Come to find out that their OCDS book club wasn’t approved by the provincial, which drew fireworks. I’m not sure what their chain-of-command required where approvals were concerned, but activities other than what was on-the-ground already required provincial approval, apparently.

BTW, the provincial wished them well on the new venture, and the bishop made them ambassadors for their diocesan Eucharistic Congress. They have one member from Costa Rica who has established a mission there as her apostolate.
 
Dear Jim

Thank you. I am Italian from Rome so I think in my case the Curia is more handy…They have an OCDS leader…
However I am curious who are this associated group do you have a website?
 
The Discalced Carmelite Associate group, no longer exists. They were only associated in that they followed the Rule of Life for Discalced Carmelites and were not officially part of the Discalced Carmelites.

The last Bishop of the dioceses ordered them to disband for reasons I can’t remember.

Anyway, as with all religious orders, a person should be careful to investigate the order to be sure it’s a Papally approved order.

Jim
 
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