Discussion on the Qu'ran and Hadith

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The best hygene is in the bible OT and Quran. If you had anything in your Nt then you would have posted it. The Superiority of Quran comes up only in contrast with the bible NT. But there is nothing in bible NT.
Come on, Planten. Are you sure you are going to post the same old posting of yours? You admit that there is some wisdom in bible NT and in this thread you say nothing in bible NT. How come you are on and off? You are contradicting yourself. Come with one position, and defend it.
 
The only thing displayed with your statement here is the lack of knowledge of Catholicism.
Your ignorance is just getting worse and worse of late, the more we educate you on the truth, the more you seem to want to keep it at bay and refuse to learn anything.
Thanks DiL, please deny anything (one by one) of what i have posted above. Please reply to all allegations one by one with or without proof. At least i will come to know what you people believe and what you do not support.

But you have avoided the post. I said that those things are in the bible. They are not in the Quran or Hadith. Now it is your duty to say that they are not in the bible too. Please come.
 
Once again I will tell you that if you want to discuss the Bible start a different thread.

This is a thread about the koran and hadiths. Are you unable to get that into your head?

As for your questions - when I get my question answered first from you about the proof that the Bible was corrupted without using the koran, hadiths, or anything else from an illiterate pagan then I will think about answering your questions.

You cannot so you are trying to deflect. It gets so old with you.🤷
R_not, So I will keep those bad beliefs about the catholics unless denied by any one. Even though they (bad news about Catholics) are not in the Quran and Hadith. So that makes Quran superior to your teachings.
 
Come on, Planten. Are you sure you are going to post the same old posting of yours? You admit that there is some wisdom in bible NT and in this thread you say nothing in bible NT. How come you are on and off? You are contradicting yourself. Come with one position, and defend it.
I still admit that there is some wisdom in the bibleNT. But nothing compared to Quran and Hadith. Please do not mind.
 
R_not, So I will keep those bad beliefs about the catholics unless denied by any one. Even though they (bad news about Catholics) are not in the Quran and Hadith. So that makes Quran superior to your teachings.
Do you speak like this because it comes from R_not maybe?
The suggestion was not a bad one, though. Have you ever started a new thread here on CAF, planten? You can even start one questioning whatever you want about the NT, or our faith, or asking questions about them. And then whoever wishes to participate on it will try to answer your question or reply something to you, just like on this one…
 
And actually, do you really have those “beliefs” about us Catholics? I mean, really?
 
R_not, there is nothing rational in the bible. The pious birth, the only pious birth, the son of God, you may be having a father of God too. (Yes you have a father of God). Then three gods in One God. Then the original sin taught by the church. That every new born baby is a sinner.
Are paradoxes foreign to Muslim thinkers, planten? I would doubt so, even though the possibility exists among all thinkers, Muslim, Christian, Jewish or of any other religion or atheism…
You say that Muslims believe that Jesus and Mary are sinless. Fine! We do believe it, too! But we also believe that the rest of the human race was tainted with the original sin and its consequences. How the Virgin Mary was prevented from the stain of the original sin by God Himself is still a mystery, but we know that she WAS prevented from it. And yes, you are right in saying that there is a father of God too, only it’s God the Father who is the father of God the Son, that is, the Word of God who was made flesh, human flesh, through Mary, and without a man’s sperm… It’s hard to believe for us too, don’t worry! But since it happened… I know, even that is not “provable” as such, I mean, not the human way! But for God’s purposes it was done.
What else can I say on this? Is God ever-powerful, or not? Do you want to tell Him how to be God?
 
With Christmas coming when we Christians celebrate Jesus’ Nativity, I guess it was good of you to make us have a good look at this true Wonder from God.
So, Happy Christmas everyone who celebrates it, and in the meantime have a real nice and good preparation to it.
Bye now, and God love you all!
 
**Jharek, Thank you for interfering. That post was only for R_not in reply to his/her malafide post. I only presented those serious questions which are bad about the christianity, only to show to R_not that we do not have any of those things in the Quran and Hadith. We do not hold those bad beliefs which R_not should hold as per bible.

Surely that post of mine was not intended for you.**
 
taqiyya in the koran and hadiths:

The primary Koranic verse sanctioning deception vis-à-vis non-Muslims states: “Let believers not take for friends and allies infidels instead of believers. Whoever does this shall have no relationship left with Allah—unless you but guard yourselves against them, taking precautions” (3:28; other verses relied on by the ulema include 2:173; 2:185; 4:29; 16:106; 22:78; 40:28).

Al-Tabari’s (d. 923) famous Tafsir (exegesis of the Koran) is essentially a standard reference work in the entire Muslim world. Regarding 3:28, he writes: “If you [Muslim] are under their [infidels’] authority, fearing for yourselves, behave loyally to them, with your tongue, while harboring inner animosity for them…. Allah has forbidden believers from being friendly or on intimate terms with the infidels in place of believers—except when infidels are above them [in authority]. In such a scenario, let them act friendly towards them.”

Regarding 3:28,” Ibn Kathir (d. 1373, second only to Tabari) writes, “Whoever at any time or place fears their [infidels’] evil, may protect himself through outward show.” As proof of this, he quotes Muhammad’s companions: Abu Darda said “Let us smile to the face of some people while our hearts curse them”; while al-Hassan said, “Doing taqiyya is acceptable till the Day of Judgment *.”

On jihad, Centrality of jihad in islam:

war against the infidel goes on in perpetuity—until “all chaos ceases, and all religion belongs to Allah” (Koran 8:38). The definitive Encyclopaedia of Islam simply states:

“The duty of the jihad exists as long as the universal domination of Islam has not been attained. Peace with non-Muslim nations is, therefore, a provisional state of affairs only; the chance of circumstances alone can justify it temporarily. Furthermore there can be no question of genuine peace treaties with these nations; only truces, whose duration ought not, in principle, to exceed ten years, are authorised. But even such truces are precarious, inasmuch as they can, before they expire, be repudiated unilaterally should it appear more profitable for Islam to resume the conflict.”

This latter concept of obligatory jihad is best expressed by Islam’s dichotomized worldview that pits Dar al Islam (the Islamic world), against Dar al Harb (the non-Islamic world) until the former subsumes the latter. Internationally renowned Muslim historian and philosopher, Ibn Khaldun (d.1406), articulates this division thusly:

“In the Muslim community, holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense… But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations.”

This concept is highlighted by the fact that, based on the ten year treaty of Hudaibiya, ratified between Muhammad and his Quraish opponents in Mecca, ten years is, theoretically, the maximum amount of time Muslims can be at peace with infidels. Based on Muhammad’s example of breaking the treaty after two years, (by citing a Quraish infraction), the sole function of the “peace-treaty” (hudna) is to buy weakened Muslims time to regroup before going on the offensive once more. Incidentally, Muhammad is quoted in the Hadith saying, “If I take an oath and later find something else better, I do what is better and break my oath.”*
 
**Jharek, Thank you for interfering. That post was only for R_not in reply to his/her malafide post. I only presented those serious questions which are bad about the christianity, only to show to R_not that we do not have any of those things in the Quran and Hadith. We do not hold those bad beliefs which R_not should hold as per bible.

Surely that post of mine was not intended for you.**
When somebody make a posting in any thread, it is supposed to be read by everybody. So, if you have a specific reply to somebody, why don’t you just PM R-not to do so. He will be happy to reply you by PM messages, I believe.
 
When somebody make a posting in any thread, it is supposed to be read by everybody. So, if you have a specific reply to somebody, why don’t you just PM R-not to do so. He will be happy to reply you by PM messages, I believe.
Yeah, I would reply.

I don’t know where it would get us though. We are two that have to agree to disagree.

planten also will not prove that the Bible is corrupted, nor will any other muslim.

In order to believe in the koran one would have to prove that it was corrupted. Not only in the stories of Creation, Jesus, Moses, Paul, etc but also in the points about mohammed being a prophet. All that I have read in the Bible points to mohammed not being a prophet, but closer to a follower of Satan under the disguise of an angel called Gabriel. And even his description of Gabriel goes against all we have been taught in the Bible… but not of Lucifer.

Most of our problems stem from the fact that I have posted surahs from the koran and hadiths that planten doesn’t like us to know about. Most muslims from other countries don’t have to deal with infidels/kufir even asking, or discussing, such things. They are used to just quieting us up in ‘their ways’. I won’t go into that here.

Not even muslims are allowed to discuss to the realm that we discuss. So, this is why so many problems too. They think we are just to swallow the stuff they post on here and blindly accept it.

So, you see - I don’t know how planten can resolve his differences with me. I don’t hate planten or even think any less of him. But, I cannot give him what he wants - the idea that islam is good. I get frustrated sometimes, but that is fine. He doesn’t bother me overall or else I would put him on ignore. If I bother him, I don’t expect any less. the message of islam should bother him.
 
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