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This is what a fundamentalist told me on youtube:

apostatized ‘christianity’ in the form of catholicism was imitating sun worship. the pope got his throne from a pagan. the vatican has the pagan title ‘pontifex maximus’ in it. pontiff was a pagan title before the pope took it. pope also wears a dagon fish hat. his robes have pagan symbols all over. it goes way deeper than I can tell you here.

I solved the Dagon hat thing, but what about the Pope stuff and the Eucharist?
 
This is what a fundamentalist told me on youtube:

apostatized ‘christianity’ in the form of catholicism was imitating sun worship. the pope got his throne from a pagan. the vatican has the pagan title ‘pontifex maximus’ in it. pontiff was a pagan title before the pope took it. pope also wears a dagon fish hat. his robes have pagan symbols all over. it goes way deeper than I can tell you here.

I solved the Dagon hat thing, but what about the Pope stuff and the Eucharist?
You should ask him if he disagrees with the creed we profess every Sunday. He is focusing in on superfluous details that he thinks refute Catholicism as a whole. If we as Catholics re-define pagan symbols, or holidays, or traditions in the name of Jesus Christ I say huzzah… it is a heck of a lot better now than it was.
 
This is what a fundamentalist told me on youtube:

apostatized ‘christianity’ in the form of catholicism was imitating sun worship. the pope got his throne from a pagan. the vatican has the pagan title ‘pontifex maximus’ in it. pontiff was a pagan title before the pope took it. pope also wears a dagon fish hat. his robes have pagan symbols all over. it goes way deeper than I can tell you here.

I solved the Dagon hat thing, but what about the Pope stuff and the Eucharist?
First of all he is getting all of this from anti-Catholic sources. i would suggest picking up a Catholic tract, or short book from Catholic sources explaining Catholicism and offer to send it to him. If he refuses then he is not willing to listen to reason and is just an anti-catholic. You should shake the dust off your feet and pay no more attention to him.

As far as “imitating Sun worshippers” he is referring to an early Egyptian Pharroh who denounced the Egyptian gods and claimed monotheism. This part is true. the claim is that he said it was the sun and that bread became his body and blah…blah…blah. this is probably made up. The Pharroh was killed for his beliefs. I would say he got a glimps of reality. but to say our Eucharist comes from that. You know better, it comes from our lord. If you need further proof that it is not pagan read any of the early church fathers. Oh yeah and the bible.

As far as a fish hat, guess what, a fish is a christian symbol.
My understanding is that Pontiff Maximus is the title that was given to the head religious leader in the Roman empire. When the empire converted to Christianity the title went to the head of that religion, The Pope. It is no secret that the church has always incorpurated pagan symbols and made them christian in order to make it easier for pagans to convert. Somehow I have a feeling that this person has no problems with the church doing this when it comes to Christmas, wedding rings, etc…
 
This is what a fundamentalist told me on youtube:

apostatized ‘christianity’ in the form of catholicism was imitating sun worship. the pope got his throne from a pagan. the vatican has the pagan title ‘pontifex maximus’ in it. pontiff was a pagan title before the pope took it. pope also wears a dagon fish hat. his robes have pagan symbols all over. it goes way deeper than I can tell you here.

I solved the Dagon hat thing, but what about the Pope stuff and the Eucharist?
Words are just words…Apollo was the son of the god Zeus. Does that mean we got Jesus’ title “Son of God” from the pagans? Pontiff just means “high priest” in Latin…
Such assertions are just dust in the wind…nothing to them.

Tell him that when he wants to discuss things of some substance…you will be glad to talk further…but what the pope wears has no bearing on anyone’s salvation…

Peace
James
 
This is what a fundamentalist told me on youtube:

apostatized ‘christianity’ in the form of catholicism was imitating sun worship. the pope got his throne from a pagan. the vatican has the pagan title ‘pontifex maximus’ in it. pontiff was a pagan title before the pope took it. pope also wears a dagon fish hat. his robes have pagan symbols all over. it goes way deeper than I can tell you here.

I solved the Dagon hat thing, but what about the Pope stuff and the Eucharist?
He probably got this from a book by Hislop or Hunt…so ask your friend if he is also willing to read a book debunking what he has read…the book this author wrote…

ralphwoodrow.org/books/pages/babylon-mystery.html

By this method, one could condemn Protestant and evangelical denominations like the Assemblies of God, Baptist, Church of Christ, Lutheran, Methodist, Nazarene, etc. Basic things like prayer, and kneeling in prayer, would have to be rejected, because pagans knelt and prayed to their gods. Water baptism would have to be rejected, for pagans had numerous rites involving water, etc.

By this method, the BIBLE itself would need to be rejected as pagan. All of the following practices or beliefs mentioned in the Bible, were also known among pagans—raising hands in worship, taking off shoes on holy ground, a holy mountain, a holy place in a temple, offering sacrifices without blemish, a sacred ark, city of refuge, bringing forth water from a rock, laws written on stone, fire appearing on a person’s head, horses of fire, the offering of first fruits, tithes, etc.

By this method, the LORD himself would be pagan. The woman called Mystery Babylon had a cup in her hand; the Lord has a cup in his hand (Psa. 75:8). Pagan kings sat on thrones and wore crowns; the Lord sits on a throne and wears a crown (Rev. 1:4; 14:14). Pagans worshipped the sun; the Lord is the “Sun of righteousness” (Mal. 4:2). Pagan gods were likened to stars; the Lord is called “the bright and morning star” (Rev. 22:16). Pagan gods had temples dedicated to them; the Lord has a temple (Rev. 7:15). Pagan gods were pictured with wings; the Lord is pictured with wings (Psa. 91:4).

Some claim that round objects, such as round communion wafers, are symbols of the Sun-god. But they fail to mention that the very manna given by God was round! (Exod. 16:14). Some are ready to condemn all pillars and historical monuments as pagan. But they fail to take into account that the Lord himself appeared as a pillar of fire; and, in front of his temple, there were two large pillars (Exod. 13:21,22; 2 Chron. 3:17).

Because Babylon had a tower (Gen. 11:4), some suppose this must be why there are church buildings with towers or steeples: they are copying Babylon! A newspaper reporter in Columbus, Ohio, wrote to me about this. In that city, and numerous other places, this claim has been made. Let me say it quite clearly: No church ever included a steeple or tower on their house of worship to copy the tower of Babel! Why discredit thousands of born-again Christians by promoting ideas that have no connection? If a tower in itself is pagan, God would be pagan, for David described him as “my high tower” (2 Sam. 22:3; cf. Prov. 18:10).

No Christian who puts a bumper sticker with a fish symbol on the back of his car has ever done so to honor the fish-god Dagon. No congregation has ever put a cross on a church building for the purpose of honoring Tammuz. No Christian has ever gone to an Easter sunrise service to worship Baal. No Christian has ever worshipped a Christmas tree as an idol. Claims that imply “all these things started in Babylon,” are not only divisive and fruitless, they are untrue.
 
Karl Keating’s book, Catholicism and Fundamentalism is the grand-daddy of modern apologetic books. It’s a must read.
 
This is what a fundamentalist told me on youtube:

apostatized ‘christianity’ in the form of catholicism was imitating sun worship. the pope got his throne from a pagan. the vatican has the pagan title ‘pontifex maximus’ in it. pontiff was a pagan title before the pope took it. pope also wears a dagon fish hat. his robes have pagan symbols all over. it goes way deeper than I can tell you here.

I solved the Dagon hat thing, but what about the Pope stuff and the Eucharist?
may be true on youtube as well:

Matt 18:19 ‘In truth I tell you once again, if two of you on earth agree to ask anything at all, it will be granted to you by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three meet in my name, I am there among them.’

both of you seem to hold your relationship with God to be important
as two individuals before God, the point then wouldn’t seem so much what separates you, but how you can get closer to God and do His will

pray together; the power of the Holy Spirit can heal these divisions
she may see the Church through your eyes
 
I have found out by attempt that it’s not wise to try and argue with those people. They are always right, and you are always wrong. This is even true of those who claim that they are former Catholics. It’s scary what stuff they can come up with. :mad: And they actually believe what they spout.
 
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This is what a fundamentalist told me on youtube:
apostatized ‘christianity’ in the form of catholicism was imitating sun worship.
This generally comes from the adoption of the Roman calendar, in which the first day of the week was called “Sunday” because it was dedicated to the worship of the Sun.
the pope got his throne from a pagan.
Yes and no. It might be more accurate to say he got his secular power from a secular ruler. This has nothing to do with the fact that the successor of Peter always had a position of primacy, even before the Roman empire in the West collapsed.
the vatican has the pagan title ‘pontifex maximus’ in it. pontiff was a pagan title before the pope took it.
It is a secular title, like our term “ambassador” is a secular title. Yet, Paul says “we are ambassadors for Christ”. There is nothin inheretly wrong with a secular title. When the Emperor decided to move the seat of the empire to Constantinople, there was no one left in Rome to manage the civil affairs. He prevailed upon the Pope to take over the care of the civil matters (as well as religious) and gave him a scepter, “throne”, and a title to indicate that this was an official appointment. He did not “take it”. It was given to him.
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pope also wears a dagon fish hat. his robes have pagan symbols all over. it goes way deeper than I can tell you here.
I solved the Dagon hat thing, but what about the Pope stuff and the Eucharist?
What does any of this have to do with the Eucharist?
 
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