Disease and God's will

[4love2God]

OK, the SCENE is now clear to see … God’s Will (just how BIG is it?)

The OP explains : "we are having discussions in biology class, and i need to show how curing a disease is not against God’s will when using medicinal remedies or surgical procedures."

Well, first, taking a Bath, eating non-Poisonous Food, and other everyday activities could be considered using a “Medical Remedy.”
After all, if you don’t bathe for a year, you will probably come down with an infection, and that Disease will just never go away (until the skin is cleaned off).
So, these things can be offered as evidence.

Second, you could use Personal Revelation as a Source that Curing a particular Disease is in God’s Will.
I (and my entire Church) pray for God’s Guidance in whether a person with a Disease should seek Treatment.
And, POOF, we all believe that God has told us that God WANTS her to get Treatment.
100 people can’t all be wrong (there is Strength in Numbers).
Or, cut it down to ONE person, who has received that message from God.
And, if God said to find a Doctor, then that is what God’s Will is, for that situation.

"the others are saying that we thwart God’s by curing sick people and are trying to justify abortion and euthanasia using the same reason."
OK.
"they say that that pro-life people are against abortion and euthanasia because it is intervening with God’s will and taking life that he has granted."
My thought is that most people are NOT against Abortion because of a God’s Will issue.
Catholics, in particular, are against Abortion because the Pope has declared that Abortion is murdering a Living Person.
This is a recent development in the Catholic Church.
In addition, many people who oppose Abortion, are against it because they consider it to be an immoral act.
I would spend my research time, coming up with a list of OTHER Reasons people might oppose Abortion (than just that it’s against God’s Will).

Question** :** are these Christians who are making this God’s Will argument?
If they are a bunch of Atheists, then you can argue that (to them) there is really NO SUCH THING as God’s Will (because there ain’t no god to have will).
It would seem to provoke a silly response like : “Well, YOU believe in God’s Will.”
But, what I believe is not the issue, if there is NO God’s Will, then a person cannot violate God’s Will.

Then, a deeper issue is, what’s the difference if we violated God’s Will?

So, first, how does ANYONE actually know what God’s Will is?
If you cannot establish what God’s Will is, then there is NO violating of it.
By what authority is it determined that God’s Will is to NOT receive Medical Care?
By what authority is it decided that His Will is against Abortion?
AND, by what authority does it say that I cannot do things that are against God’s Will.
(Since every Human Being violates God’s Will every day, by either Sinning, or doing something that God didn’t actually want you to do, like brushing your teeth, for example).
If the “Authority” is the Bible, then you have shut-out most of their avenues of frustrating you.

Let’s get back to the Question at hand : "i need to show how curing a disease is not against God’s will."
Why do you need to prove a Negative?
Maybe you should shift the issue a little bit, to show that curing a disease IS God’s Will.

Apostle Luke was a Medical Doctor, so God must LIKE Doctors who try to cure diseases.
When the Apostles cured people by the Power of the Holy Spirit, they healed these people without express agreement by God that the Healing was in God’s Will.
They had the power to exercise God’s healing Power… and it was not limited to them actually knowing what God’s Will is for that diseased person.
Therefore, it is likely that the Apostles violated God’s Will many times, when they healed people.

This is just off the top.
If you are looking for more (and get no other Help), I will think about it some more (and get back to you).

 

[RedFox0456]

Death was not present until after the fall of man. How exactly the fall of man and the introduction of sin introduced death is an interesting discussion in and of itself, but needless to say man introduced death into the world by our actions. If God were to remove death while we still retain the desire to sin against Him, would death not surely return? And if God chose to perpetually remove death, would we truly have free will?

 

[Isca]

yeah i get instinctively, it’s explaning it that’s difficult. the basic argument is, that God decides when to grant life or take it. in their view, any interference by us is going against God’s will. that’s what i’m having trouble differentiating

So if they broke their leg, they’d not go to a doctor but would just hobble home and wait to see what happened? They wouldn’t ring the emergency services if they had severe chest pain? Why do priests anoint the sick and pray for healing, if God has already decided that maybe that person shouldn’t be healed?

If they don’t believe that God works through the hands of doctors and surgeons, then it’s hard to have a discussion with them, I reckon.

 

[davidv]

Whether they were fallen or not, these angels/fallen angels, would still have the knowledge they did when they were in heaven, and we know that angels have much greater knowledge than man, so its not much of a stretch to think they may try to teach some of this knowledge to man, even if it was an attempt to thwart God.

Semjaza was one of the fallen angels, it is recorded what each of the fallen angels taught mankind, some taught astrology, some taught about math, psychics, etc.

This comes from book of Enoch btw.

If God was not against man having knowledge, why does mankind not have the knowledge that the angels have?

Because they are angels and we are human.

Apparently they know quite a bit more than we do, imagine what our world would be like with free will and knowledge comparable to the angels?!!

Yes I can imagine it. One of the effects of the greater knowledge would be that mankind would be able to misuse and abuse things with even greater intensity.

 

[RosaryNJ]

I believe God inspires people who have gifts of higher intelligence and creativity to make revolutionary inventions and make outstanding accomplishments in medicine and science.
That is why some diseases can be cured by man.
The world is always in a learning stage and strives for excellence.
RosaryNJ

 

[DMC12]

an easy answer is that it is not our jurisdiction, we have the right and obligation to save lifes and make them better, but it is not our choice to see when someone dies, yeah, i know there is death sentence but there the situation and intent is diferent.