Dispensation Required to Separate?

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A family member has decided to separate from their spouse. Thinking it was required to ask a Priest for a dispensation to separate from your spouse, I asked if this permission has been asked and granted.

The reply was “No, I didn’t ask a Priest and I never heard of such a requirement.”

Is this true? Is one required to ask Father for permission to seperate from your spouse?
 
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cargopilot:
A family member has decided to separate from their spouse. Thinking it was required to ask a Priest for a dispensation to separate from your spouse, I asked if this permission has been asked and granted.

The reply was “No, I didn’t ask a Priest and I never heard of such a requirement.”

Is this true? Is one required to ask Father for permission to seperate from your spouse?
Why would you need permission? I didn’t.
~ Kathy ~
 
I dunno, but I’ve never heard such a thing. I haven’t even heard of it for divorce. It was my priest who was the strongest voice in suggesting I seperate and divorce from my first husband. I don’t remember any paperwork to that effect. The only official thing I remember was the annulment, which was a single sheet of paper signed off on by my priest.

Come to think of it, I remember an AAA question a while back that asked if civilly divorced people could later have a sexual relationship or start living together again without first civilly remarrying. The answer was that they ARE still married in the eyes of the church and are free to rekindle their relationship in any way they see fit. If the church doesn’t have to OK their getting back together civilly, why would it do so in their civil seperation?
 
In the 1940’s a member of my family did this because of alcohol and domestic violence issues. Back then the local pastor apparently had to approve this directly, but it was largely a financial issue of becoming an “official” or “canonical” single mother for purposes of calculating parochial school tuition.
 
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Katie1723:
Why would you need permission? I didn’t.
~ Kathy ~
I would like to accept that what I learned years ago was wrong based on what you didn’t do in your divorce, but I’m really looking for something a little more solid than that.

I’m not referring to divorce, but to separation. Many years ago, I was told that if we desired separation (not a civil divorce) from our spouse, we were required to ask for, and receive a dispensation to do so. I was wondering if this was/is true. Logically, it would seem that to separate from your spouse would require a dispensation, since the one leaving might just be leaving for something less than the right reasons. Reading the definition for dispensation below, the requirement to ask for and receive one to seperate, somehow rings true. In other words, if I would need a dispensation to eat something before Mass for some medical reason, why wouldn’t I also need one to abandon my sacramental marriage?

Dispensation;(Latin: dispensatio, originally distribution or management)

A relaxation of the law in a particular case. It is not an abrogation of the law nor an excuse from it but a release from its observance, granted by competent authority for good reasons. The pope can dispense from all purely ecclesiastical laws no matter by whom they were passed; other authorities in the Church can dispense from the laws they themselves or their predecessors established. From laws passed by a higher superior, only those can dispense who are granted the power either by provisions in the general law of the Church or by a special delegation. Those who dispense from their own law can do so validly even without a proportionate cause, though they, too, usually demand one; but inferiors cannot validly dispense from law of their superiors except for a just reason. As long as this reason continues, at least probably, the dispensation retains its force. Dispensations are granted from fasting, abstinence, from vows in certain cases, reading the Divine Office, etc. Dispensation, in matrimony, is the removal of an impediment by the Church.
 
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cargopilot:
I would like to accept that what I learned years ago was wrong based on what you didn’t do in your divorce, but I’m really looking for something a little more solid than that.
Well then I would suggest AAA, ask a member of the clergy, or a google search. Google would bring back these results:

NewAdvent’s article on Divorce in Moral Theology (which deals with seperation)

The USCCB’s Catechism Article 7 on the Sacrament of Matrimony

And the Code of Canon Law (in which you would need to scroll to Book IV and Title VII: Marriage -Canon 1055-1165)

The Canon seems to support your position, although I must point out that there are instances where the US Bishops allow other more practical applications of our faith (for instance, banns are not published in many places, and we are not required to abstain from meat on Fridays, but just do some penance). Nonetheless, here is what the canon says:

ARTICLE 2: SEPARATION WHILE THE BOND REMAINS
Can. 1151 Spouses have the obligation and the right to maintain their common conjugal life, unless a lawful reason excuses them.
Can. 1152 §1 It is earnestly recommended that a spouse, motivated by christian charity and solicitous for the good of the family, should not refuse to pardon an adulterous partner and should not sunder the conjugal life. Nevertheless, if that spouse has not either expressly or tacitly condoned the other’s fault, he or she has the right to sever the common conjugal life, provided he or she has not consented to the adultery, nor been the cause of it, nor also committed adultery.
§2 Tacit condonation occurs if the innocent spouse, after becoming aware of the adultery, has willingly engaged in a marital relationship with the other spouse; it is presumed, however, if the innocent spouse has maintained the common conjugal life for six months, and has not had recourse to ecclesiastical or to civil authority.
§3 Within six months of having spontaneously terminated the common conjugal life, the innocent spouse is to bring a case for separation to the competent ecclesiastical authority. Having examined all the circumstances, this authority is to consider whether the innocent spouse can be brought to condone the fault and not prolong the separation permanently.
Can. 1153 §1 A spouse who occasions grave danger of soul or body to the other or to the children, or otherwise makes the common life unduly difficult, provides the other spouse with a reason to leave, either by a decree of the local Ordinary or, if there is danger in delay, even on his or her own authority.
§2 In all cases, when the reason for separation ceases, the common conjugal life is to be restored, unless otherwise provided by ecclesiastical authority.
Can. 1154 When a separation of spouses has taken place, provision is always, and in good time, to be made for the due maintenance and upbringing of the children.
Can. 1155 The innocent spouse may laudably readmit the other spouse to the conjugal life, in which case he or she renounces the right to separation.

I maintain that this is something a member of the clergy needs to answer.
 
As I recall, many years back - mid 19th to mid 20th century, it was required that Catholics in the US obtain permission from their bishop before obtaining a divorce. The same may have applied to separating. This was peculiar to the US, because of the rising divorce rate here, and the rule lapsed sometime in the mid-20th century. It was rather weakly enforced at best.

Working with a fuzzy memory here; so don’t bet real money on it.
 
One would hope that if a couple were going through problems that eventually led them to separate, they would have had their pastor involved throughout the process, and abide by his advice.

I guess if the pastor in this case said, “I think it is best for you to separate,” then that would be a dispensation of sorts.
 
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kristacecilia:
One would hope that if a couple were going through problems that eventually led them to separate, they would have had their pastor involved throughout the process, and abide by his advice…
That’s such a good point. If more people did that, I can’t help but think there would be much less divorce. Which leads me to believe that if we were predisposed to seek a dispensation from our Priest to separate, we would have to really give some serious thought to the ‘presentation’ of our case to him. That serious thought might just lead us to the conclusion that we shouldn’t separate at all.

In the case of abuse, adultery or other clear-cut reasons, the priest would likely give an immediate dispensation. In other, less obvious cases, he might be able to offer pastoral solutions that could potentially save a marriage. Of course, I also realize that someone who was naturally predisposed to ask for such a dispensation would probably never leave their marriage anyway.

Again, if I’m required to ask for a dispensation for many other things that don’t seem to have the same ‘gravity’ as the break-up of a sacramental marriage, why then should I not be required to ask for one to abandon my marriage vows?
 
It has been my experience that a dispensation is NOT necessary. When I decided to separate, this was not an issue with the Monsignor at my parish. I didn’t need his “permission” nor need a dispensation.
~ Kathy ~
 
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Katie1723:
It has been my experience that a dispensation is NOT necessary. When I decided to separate, this was not an issue with the Monsignor at my parish. I didn’t need his “permission” nor need a dispensation.
~ Kathy ~
Please forgive my lack of knowlege on the in’s and out’s of divorce.

When you say such dispensation is ‘NOT necessary’ do you mean you have actual knowlege of Church teaching that it’s not, or you determined for yourself that it wasn’t necessary? I ask, because you say "I didn’t need his “permission” with a bit of a condescending tone.

What do you base your determination of ‘NOT necessary’ on?
 
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cargopilot:
Please forgive my lack of knowlege on the in’s and out’s of divorce.

When you say such dispensation is ‘NOT necessary’ do you mean you have actual knowlege of Church teaching that it’s not, or you determined for yourself that it wasn’t necessary? I ask, because you say "I didn’t need his “permission” with a bit of a condescending tone.

What do you base your determination of ‘NOT necessary’ on?
I did not mean to come across as condescending. What I meant was when I decided to divorce and spoke to the Monsignor at my parish, he gave no indication that I needed anyone’s permission, the church’s or otherwise for a separation or divorce. He was very supportive of my decision and understood my reasons for doing so.Perhaps you need to seek the advice of your parish priest as my divorce was back in 92 and the rules may be different now.
~ Kathy ~
 
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Katie1723:
I did not mean to come across as condescending. What I meant was when I decided to divorce and spoke to the Monsignor at my parish, he gave no indication that I needed anyone’s permission, the church’s or otherwise for a separation or divorce. He was very supportive of my decision and understood my reasons for doing so.Perhaps you need to seek the advice of your parish priest as my divorce was back in 92 and the rules may be different now.

~ Kathy ~
I understand. It just sounded a little like ‘I don’t need permission from anyone.’ I’m sorry for making that comment.

I would think the Monsignor would have mentioned that, if it were required. Perhaps he was aware of your particular case and determined that you were the innocent party?

My relative, who wishes to separate, is certainly not in my view, the innocent party. His wife is a sweet, kind person. It is likely he has found someone else and simply wants to be with her, more. If anyone needs to ask for a dispensation of this sort, it would be him.
 
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cargopilot:
…My relative, who wishes to separate, is certainly not in my view, the innocent party. His wife is a sweet, kind person. It is likely he has found someone else and simply wants to be with her, more. If anyone needs to ask for a dispensation of this sort, it would be him.
Strictly speaking, sir, your relative, wrong or not, doesn’t need anyones permission or a dispensation to separate and/or divorce. That being said, as a Catholic, we know what divorce entails as far as the church is concerned, in that what he as a Catholic(is he??) needs or should do to make things right. If he so chooses to follow through with his “other” relationship, there are “consequences” as far as our faith is concerned.
As far as I know, when a Catholic is divorced, they can attend Mass AND receive the sacraments. They just cannot remarry.
~ Kathy ~
 
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Katie1723:
As far as I know, when a Catholic is divorced, they can attend Mass AND receive the sacraments. They just cannot remarry. ~ Kathy ~
Or, I’ll add, shack up with someone else (as might be the case here). :tsktsk:
 
I’m sure all who are participating in this thread are aware that it was just answered in the Ask an Apologist forum, but I am linking to it for any future readers’ reference.

*Dear pilot,

While it might be wise to talk to a priest about one’s desire to separate in order to get some objective in-put, it is not necessary to get permission.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.*
 
Forest-Pine said:
I maintain that this is something a member of the clergy needs to answer.

Well, I’ll give this a shot as a cleric from the perspective of the law, and hope it’s not too dense. Here goes, for what it’s worth.

The nature of marriage exists in the partnership of the whole of life (Gaudium et spes, no. 48). Consequently, canon 1151 states that spouses have the duty and right to perserve conjugal living.Pastoral means are to be used to help them maintain communal life.

Separation is a last resort. The term “separation” in one context means a temporary separation of bed and board for a reason recognized in law. However, it can also be permanent. Permanent separation could be effected by civil divorce, but a couple could separate and not have a civil divorce.

Separation is not the same as a declaration of nullity, which is usually investigated following civil divorce. However, it is possible that a couple does separate permanently, and then later approaches a tribunal for the investigation.

Separation can happen in several ways. Translations of the texts of the canons are available in full on the internet, and have been posted earlier.

Canon 1152 addresses the provision for separating from conjugal life by the innocent and non condoning spouse of an adulterous partner. Permission is not required, but the law envisions that the innocent spouse bring the matter before the Church later by a suit for separation. Church authority is to investigate the circumstances and determine if the innocent spouse can forgive the misdeed and restore conjugal life (see also canon 1692). Such suits are seldom filed by the faithful, as far as I can tell. However, the law recognizes adultery as a legitimate ground for permanent separation.

**Canon 1153 permits separation in other situations. **Here the law says that normally the local ordinary (usually the diocesan bishop, but it could be the vicar general) needs to give permission. A priest can’t give such permission unless he has been delegated the power to do so.

However, separation can be done even on the authority of one spouse under certain conditions of grave or serious danger or the case in which “common life has been otherwise rendered too difficult” and there is danger of delay: “§1. If either of the spouses causes serious danger of spirit or body to the other spouse or to the children, or otherwise renders common life too hard (“vel aliter vitam communem nimis duram reddat”) , that spouse gives the other a legitimate cause for separating in virtue of a decree of the local ordinary, or even on his or her own authority if there is danger in delay.”

The gravity or seriousness of the danger of body or spirit to a spouse or children would have to be weighed in the individual case. Most would see physical abuse or sexual abuse or flagrant alcoholism or drug use as presenting a grave and serious danger. This difficulty is not just a matter of overall dissatisfaction with the marriage, but something more serious, and we’d have to consider that on a case by case basis. When we hear of a priest giving permission for separation, what is really said, is that after listening to a spouse, he agrees that the danger or difficulty exists so that the spouse, using the authority the canon gives him or her, can legitimately separate.

If the reason for separation ceases, then conjugal life is to be restored unless Church authority determines otherwise (c. 1153 §2).

In some cases, civil divorce is the only way in which the spouses can secure their legal and financial status and provide for the children. While civil divorce does not have any effect on the bond of marriage, Church law does not impose any sanction on divorce. However, no right to marry again is given by civil divorce.

The canons on separation do not use the term “dispensation,” which is, as correctly defined earlier, a relaxation of a merely ecclesiastical law for a just reason in a particular case by a competent ecclesiastical authority. The commentaries use the term “permission” and not “dispensation” as well.

In these situations, no law is relaxed at all (setting aside canon 1151) but the law on separation is merely applied. What is given either by the local ordinary or by the law itself (by even the authority of the departing spouse, “etiam propria auctoritate”) is an application of the canons themselves and not a dispensation from them. It’s a discernment that, yes, there is a just reason to separate.

Since conjugal living in canon 1151 is necessary for the partnership of the whole of life, it is considered as originating in natural law. The Church couldn’t dispense from it anyway. But natural law also teaches that no one is bound to the impossible, and the canon just sets the conditions down in which it is morally impossible to continue conjugal living.
 
Thank you Deacon Cameron for your very clear and detailed explanation of Canon law relating to marital separation. Your explanation that it is not a ‘dispensation’ or ‘permission’, but application of Canon law. I greatly appreciate your various conditions and examples that take a very complicated and dynamic topic and simplify it for my understanding. Your examples seem to cover many different circumstances.

Again, thank you Deacon for taking your time to answer my thread.
 
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