Dispensation to convert to Orthodoxy for purpose of religious life

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Possible to become Coptic orthodox to become a monk in Wadi el natrun? Or likewise Syriac orthodox to be monk in tur ab din? Or even Eastern Orthodox to be in Mt. Athos.

I find it odd dispensations exist for marriage between orthodox and catholic (even atheist and Latin catholic, which I disagree with) in spouse, but not for purpose of becoming a monastic, if this is the case
 
A Catholic doesn’t renounce their faith if they marry an orthodox or a protestant. They renounce their faith if they become orthodox or protestant.

There is no such dispensation. Faith precedes personal taste, and infinitely so.

This post is very saddening for me and causes me pain. You would leave Peter’s side because you like the flavor of a monastic tradition? 😦 I hope you do no such thing. I will pray for your discernment, with your permission.
 
TK421 said:
A Catholic doesn’t renounce their faith if they marry an orthodox or a protestant. They renounce their faith if they become orthodox or protestant.
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Not always. In some cases, a Roman Catholic is received by a chrismation.
 
Tomdstone said:
Not always. In some cases, a Roman Catholic is received by a chrismation.
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Would not reception require renunciation? I would apreciate elaboration on this as my understanding is that on may not be belong simultaneously to both the Catholic and the Orthodox churches at this time. Wouldn’t reunification be necessary before this could occur?
Thank you in advance for your help.

May God bless us all.
Amen.
 
You can’t be Orthodox and Catholic at the same time. One of them submits to the authority of the Holy See. The other one doesn’t.

You can’t not submit and submit to the Holy See simultaneously.

Catholics and Orthodox aren’t Christians that have different tastes in priestly vestments. A schism happened. It was very horrible. Kingdoms & cultures were divided. It’s an Iron Curtain that has existed for a thousand years.

The OP is asking whether or not he can receive a dispensation from his bishop to renounce the Holy See & her authority to teach in order to join a monastic order. Needless to say, the answer is “no”. He would have to leave on his own accord.

He can start a monastic order.
 
Casilda said:
While a dispensation may not be given, what you seek is possible. This is an account of a Roman Catholic monastic who is now an Eastern Orthodox abbess

hogarafaelayau.org/cms/pages/who-we-are.php
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She never seeked dispensation from her Bishop. They abandoned him and followed their own will. Basically they are in schism now with the Catholic Church and the Pope.

I believe that type of activity has the automatic excommunication. We can only pray for them, that they realize the damage they do to the Body of Christ.

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@OP:

You could also look into current orders and see if it’s possible, from the abbot, if you can’t incorporate elements of the tradition you are attracted to in your own life. I admit I’m ignorant as to how much leeway religious have concerning their individual spiritual practices.

There’s a discernment process with any order and this is something you could discuss ahead of time. The call of the monk may be difficult for Eastern Catholics who have no orders of their own and so abbots may (if they are able?) elect to be somewhat accommodating because of this.
 
No bishop can give a Catholic a dispensation to leave communion with the Catholic Church. We should all pray for a resumption of full communion between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
 
In regards to the marriage dispensation, the Catholic can only get the dispensation if the Church believes that the Catholic will retain his/her faith and that the marriage will not hurt the Catholic’s faith.

I still say you should pray about creating a new order or community in the Eastern tradition, but in communion with the Holy See.

Also, have you spoken with priests in different Eastern Catholic rites? Are you sure there isn’t an order somewhere? Even if it’s just 5 monks?

But again, you could always start one. If you want to be a priest, get ordained first and then start an order.

God Bless
 
5Loaves said:
These are formerly Catholic nuns who became Orthodox under the Ecumenical Patriarch according to the article you provided.
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Yes, but that does not mean they are not serving God with their work caring for orphaned and abandoned children. Even if she was just an evangelical Christian now, she is still serving God. That’s my point. I will leave the judgement to God.

Mark 9
38 John said to him, “Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is for us. 41 For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you bear the name of Christ, will by no means lose his reward.
 
Casilda said:
Yes, but that does not mean they are not serving God with their work caring for orphaned and abandoned children. Even if she was just an evangelical Christian now, she is still serving God. That’s my point. I will leave the judgement to God.

Mark 9
38 John said to him, “Teacher, we saw a man casting out demons in your name, and we forbade him, because he was not following us.” 39 But Jesus said, “Do not forbid him; for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon after to speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is for us. 41 For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you bear the name of Christ, will by no means lose his reward.
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But it is sinful to knowingly & purposely go into schism. The nuns could can created an order in Communion with Rome that had all the characteristics they were looking for.
 
phil19034 said:
In regards to the marriage dispensation, the Catholic can only get the dispensation if the Church believes that the Catholic will retain his/her faith and that the marriage will not hurt the Catholic’s faith.
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I don’t know that a Roman Catholic needs a dispensation to marry an Eastern Orthodox.
 
Tomdstone said:
I don’t know that a Roman Catholic needs a dispensation to marry an Eastern Orthodox.
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A person needs a dispensation to marry anybody outside of full communion with the Catholic Church, and they must baptize & raise any children they have within the Catholic Church.
 
TK421 said:
A person needs a dispensation to marry anybody outside of full communion with the Catholic Church, and they must baptize & raise any children they have within the Catholic Church.
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Syro-malankara and jacobite orthodox intermarry, and the wife will convert to the husbands faith and raise children in that church. As simple as changing roles. also am not interested in converting to eastern orthodoxy, only oriental orthodoxy…i do not subscribe to roman theology but syriac

i am really interested in eastern catholic or orthodox answers
 
TK421 said:
A Catholic doesn’t renounce their faith if they marry an orthodox or a protestant. They renounce their faith if they become orthodox or protestant.

There is no such dispensation. Faith precedes personal taste, and infinitely so.

This post is very saddening for me and causes me pain. You would leave Peter’s side because you like the flavor of a monastic tradition? 😦 I hope you do no such thing. I will pray for your discernment, with your permission.
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It is not only tradition but theology. There is no monastery with coptic traditions that is not orthodox. I find it hard to believe Alah will judge a monk based on the apostolic church he adheres to, but instead for his asceticism and contempt for the world. St anthony the great himself was a coptic orthodox…many other monks after him are saints…no one is leaving anyone’s side, nor do I worry myself of church politics, especially of western latin church
 
TK421 said:
You can’t be Orthodox and Catholic at the same time. One of them submits to the authority of the Holy See. The other one doesn’t.

You can’t not submit and submit to the Holy See simultaneously.

Catholics and Orthodox aren’t Christians that have different tastes in priestly vestments. A schism happened. It was very horrible. Kingdoms & cultures were divided. It’s an Iron Curtain that has existed for a thousand years.

The OP is asking whether or not he can receive a dispensation from his bishop to renounce the Holy See & her authority to teach in order to join a monastic order. Needless to say, the answer is “no”. He would have to leave on his own accord.

He can start a monastic order.
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monastic orders is only a latin thing. orthodox traditions only have monks and hierarchy (i.e. schema monk) of those monks. i do not wish to create any order…just to be a monastic, if I have vocation
 
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