Divine Liturgy of St. Gregory the Great and the Roman Rite

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So I came upon the St Gregory Liturgy

And it came upon me that the structure of the Liturgy is similar if not identical with the Roman Rite
Structure of the Ordinary
The Preparation for Mass
Confiteor
Kyrie eleison (nine-fold)
Gloria in excelsis
Collect of the Day
Epistle
Gradual
Alleluia
Gospel
Sermon
Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed
Offertory
Dialogue
Preface
Sanctus
Canon
Lord’s Prayer
Fraction
Agnus Dei
Prayers before Communion (including “I believe, O Lord, and I confess…”)
Holy Communion
Prayer of thanksgiving after Communion
Dismissal
Blessing of the faithful
Last Gospel (Prologue of St. John’s Gospel)
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It’s the Eastern Orthodx version of the Tridentine rite for western rite Orthodox
 
Wandile said:
It’s the Eastern Orthodx version of the Tridentine rite for western rite Orthodox
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That’s not necessarily the case. It would be helpful to know the direct source of the information.
 
Phillip_Rolfes said:
That’s not necessarily the case. It would be helpful to know the direct source of the information.
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“The Divine Liturgy of St. Gregory is one of the liturgies authorized for use by the Antiochian Western Rite Vicariate (AWRV) and the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia Western Rite Vicariate (RWRV). The AWRV’s only authorized text of the Mass is found in the Orthodox Missal. The basis of the liturgy is the Tridentine Mass as it was celebrated by the Society of Clerks Secular of St. Basil (SSB), a formerly independent church that formed the basis of the Antiochian Western Rite Vicariate in 1961”

orthodoxwiki.org/Liturgy_of_St._Gregory
 
I happen to attend one of the few western rite parishes antiochian parishes in the US. 🙂
 
One would need to study the text thoroughly, but, to begin with, calling (officially) the Mass “Divine Liturgy of St. Gregory the Great” is a byzantinization, as well as the prayer before Communion. In general it doesn’t seem that the perspective when dealing with the Mass is any Roman in essence.

Frankly speaking, I’d not recommend anyone who isn’t a heir of a rite to try to resurrect it with his own means. The results of the experiment are often poor and incongruous - in my case, while I haven’t been able to read the supposedly Mozarabic-based texts of the Milan Synod, the “Mozarabic” liturgy of the local Anglican church (IERE/SREC) is nothing more than a pastiche between the Anglican BCP and some Mozarabic prayers, or prayers with a Mozarabic twang. Although on that web they seem to dismiss this possibility, the truth is that in the Schism the supporters of Cerularius ceased any use of the Roman rite in the case that it there had been one before.
 
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One would need to study the text thoroughly, but, to begin with, calling (officially) the Mass “Divine Liturgy of St. Gregory the Great” is a byzantinization, as well as the prayer before Communion. In general it doesn’t seem that the perspective when dealing with the Mass is any Roman in essence.

Frankly speaking, I’d not recommend anyone who isn’t a heir of a rite to try to resurrect it with his own means. The results of the experiment are often poor and incongruous - in my case, while I haven’t been able to read the supposedly Mozarabic-based texts of the Milan Synod, the “Mozarabic” liturgy of the local Anglican church (IERE/SREC) is nothing more than a pastiche between the Anglican BCP and some Mozarabic prayers, or prayers with a Mozarabic twang. Although on that web they seem to dismiss this possibility, the truth is that in the Schism the supporters of Cerularius ceased any use of the Roman rite in the case that it there had been one before.
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Aside from the epiclesis and the name, “Liturgy of St. Gregory the Great”, there’s nothing new in the liturgy of St. Gregory. It is a well preserved liturgy so there is no need to fear “the results of the experiment”. Also, are you questioning the discernment and liturgical expertise of the Orthodox Bishops who oversee the Western Rite liturgy? If so, that is astounding. In cases where Western rite liturgies failed, the Bishops scrapped them. The “Gallican Rite” is a good example of an experiment gone wrong. Historians don’t know too much about the old Gallican Rite because it wasn’t well preserved. So far, the objections from EOs and RCs have easily been answered.

Here’s a good defense of Western-Rite Orthodoxy.pravoslavie.ru/english/91138.htm
 
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