Divine Mercy Indulgence

[KendraDZ1902]

So, one of the conditions for the indulgence today is to be “completely detached from the affection for a sin, even a venial sin.” Who in the world is completely detached from even venial sin? So, all these folks leaving Mass today thinking, “heck yeah, did everything I was supposed to do, I got my indulgence!” Bomp bomp. Nope. No indulgences for like, anyone. Right?

 

[pianistclare]

So, one of the conditions for the indulgence today is to be “completely detached from the affection for a sin, even a venial sin.” Who in the world is completely detached from even venial sin? So, all these folks leaving Mass today thinking, “heck yeah, did everything I was supposed to do, I got my indulgence!” Bomp bomp. Nope. No indulgences for like, anyone. Right?

It’s the affection for sin, not simply sin.
In other words, having an attitude that you know sin is ban, and you don’t want to cause Jesus any sorrow through your tendency to sin. Anyone pursuing the indulgence is truly devoted to trying to avoid sin. IMHO, anyway.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

It’s the affection for sin, not simply sin.
In other words, having an attitude that you know sin is ban, and you don’t want to cause Jesus any sorrow through your tendency to sin. Anyone pursuing the indulgence is truly devoted to trying to avoid sin. IMHO, anyway.

Ahh! I see. Whew.

 

[pianistclare]

Ahh! I see. Whew.

 

[dmftx]

I completely disagree. I sin, we all do. I wish I were more knowledgable of the exact words but I will tell you this from my heart. We are not required to go to confession for venial sin. Instead, we can ask the Lord for forgiveness with a contrite and penitent heart. He is a merciful God! Once we have gone to confession or, in the absence of mortal sin, have confessed our sins to God then there is no attachment to sin until we sin again.

As an example, I am from the old school so I like to go to confession every few weeks unless I feel I have grievously sinned (and I can be a bit scrupulous in that manner). I went to confession on Sat. afternoon and went to mass on Sat. evening. I had no attachment to sin at mass. I attended a Divine Mercy Chaplet this evening and continue to be confident that I have no attachment to sin.

I am far from perfect but please do not think that there were no indulgences received today. I am prayerful that indulgences were plentiful!

 

[twf]

Complete detachment from even venial sin is very difficult, though possible with grace. That being said, if you don’t satisfy all the requirements for a plenary indulgence, partial indulgences are always available. Even blessing yourself devoutly with holy water is a partial indulgence (if you intent it). There are countless examples daily.

 

[Vico]

So, one of the conditions for the indulgence today is to be “completely detached from the affection for a sin, even a venial sin.” Who in the world is completely detached from even venial sin? So, all these folks leaving Mass today thinking, “heck yeah, did everything I was supposed to do, I got my indulgence!” Bomp bomp. Nope. No indulgences for like, anyone. Right?

There are many conditions for plenary, failing which a normal indulgence may be gained. Also for the plenary the prayer must be vocal prayer not mental prayer. There is an exception for the deaf and mute to read, sign, or mentally recite.

 

[z_0101]

So, one of the conditions for the indulgence today is to be “completely detached from the affection for a sin, even a venial sin.” Who in the world is completely detached from even venial sin? So, all these folks leaving Mass today thinking, “heck yeah, did everything I was supposed to do, I got my indulgence!” Bomp bomp. Nope. No indulgences for like, anyone. Right?

Although that may be a condition for general indulgences; however, for the Divine Mercy that is not a true statement.
Before anyone argues with me - Please go to the TheDivineMercy.org: Divine Mercy 101 and read about the message.
You can also listen to part of the message as given by:
Fr. Chris Alar, MIC: Divine Mercy Conference
Fr. Alar’s order is charged to keep this chrism and we just had him at our Parish as a mission - three days of talks about this exact message and he brought this exact point up and clearly stated that for the Divine Mercy, this was not a condition.

Please help spread the true message of our Lord’s deep Love and desire for Mercy for the world by linking to the TheDivineMercy.org website.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

There are many conditions for plenary, failing which a normal indulgence may be gained. Also for the plenary the prayer must be vocal prayer not mental prayer. There is an exception for the deaf and mute to read, sign, or mentally recite.

I know, but my OP was my concern.

 

[Vico]

I know, but my OP was my concern.

Ok, I was thinking it was an answer for “No indulgences for like, anyone. Right?”. I was saying a normal indulgence could occur.

 

[InNomineDomini]

Who in the world is completely detached from even venial sin?

One of our priests tells a story of being in formation, when one of the seminarians asked a very similar question. The response was, in a nutshell, that the Church does not ask things of us that are nearly impossible to accomplish.

Being free from the attachment to venial sins, means that we do not actively intend to commit them, and that there is no venial sin that we cling on to. It does not mean that we are officially impeccable, and that temptations to sin have no effect on us.

Father gave the example of being a perpetual stealer of candy bars.

Let’s say that, every Sunday after Mass, you had this weird habit of going to a grocery store and pocketing a Snickers bar. If you refuse to give this up, then you have an attachment to this sin. If you repent of this sin, and actively resist it, but feel an incredibly strong compulsion, then you do not have an attachment to the sin that would prevent you from being granted a plenary indulgence.

An attachment to sin is an act of the will; it is a choice to keep on sinning, whether such sins be stealing Snickers bars, gossiping to some small extent, or any number of other venial sins.

Not having an attachment means that you intend not to commit any sins, even if you know that doing so is difficult and that you very well may fall.

 

[InNomineDomini]

Although that may be a condition for general indulgences; however, for the Divine Mercy that is not a true statement.

I’m sorry, but your information is incorrect.

According to the following:

And so the Supreme Pontiff, motivated by an ardent desire to foster in Christians this devotion to Divine Mercy as much as possible in the hope of offering great spiritual fruit to the faithful, in the Audience granted on 13 June 2002, to those Responsible for the Apostolic Penitentiary,** granted the following Indulgences**:

a plenary indulgence, granted under the usual conditions (sacramental confession, Eucharistic communion and prayer for the intentions of Supreme Pontiff) to the faithful who, on the Second Sunday of Easter or Divine Mercy Sunday, in any church or chapel, in a spirit that is completely detached from the affection for a sin, even a venial sin, take part in the prayers and devotions held in honour of Divine Mercy, or who, in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament exposed or reserved in the tabernacle, recite the Our Father and the Creed, adding a devout prayer to the merciful Lord Jesus (e.g. Merciful Jesus, I trust in you!").]

The above objectively applies to all of the faithful; and any statements made in St. Faustina’s diary are private revelation, and we may not bind people’s consciences to them.

What you argue is an opinion that may be held privately, based on *Diary *paragraph 699, and the acceptable personal view that it truly contains Our Lord’s words.

But devotion to God’s Mercy goes beyond St. Faustina’s diary, and is essential to Christianity. It is because of this that a plenary indulgence is associated with Divine Mercy Sunday, as the document I linked to above explains.

Actively attempting to make private revelations trump official Church pronouncements is, in my view, never a good practice, and it should be avoided at all costs.

 

[Bookcat]

I’m sorry, but your information is incorrect.

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They where referring in essence to the promise in association with the Private Revelation. But you are correct that in terms of the Plenary Indulgence that there is that requirement as always. There are though two matters that can get confused easily in discussing the Feast -the Plenary Indulgence from the Church and the Promise from the Private Revelation (which has been called a plenary indulgence but which is not the Indulgence from the Church).

Although that may be a condition for general indulgences; however, for the Divine Mercy that is not a true statement.

It is a true statement and even for the indulgence from the Church for Divine Mercy Sunday.

What you are referring to is a promise from the Private Revelation for that Feast. They are two different matters.

You are correct in terms of the promise regarding the Feast. I add this for clarity for there are two things from that day - one from the Church and one related to the PR.

 

[Bookcat]

So, one of the conditions for the indulgence today is to be “completely detached from the affection for a sin, even a venial sin.” Who in the world is completely detached from even venial sin?

In terms of the Indulgence offered from the Church (different from the promise associated with the Private Revelation)

Tis I would say a matter of will (and of course of grace) (and remember one may gain one per day…under the usual conditions).

See from the Church:

If one looks at some examples of grants of specific plenary indulgences (Apostolic P.) - it can perhaps be helpful -(remember they are all referring to the same condition).

Current Year of Consecrated Life: “with complete detachment from any sin”

From World Youth day: “in a spirit of total detachment from any sin”

From World Meetings of Families: “in a spirit of total detachment from any sin”

The one from the Birth of St. Paul:

“in a spirit of total detachment from any inclination to sin”

The indulgence on Divine Mercy Sunday (from the Church - different from the PR promise):

“in a spirit that is completely detached from the affection for a sin, even a venial sin”

and the same for the one regarding the 40th anno of Vatican II

“in a spirit that is completely detached from affection for any sin”

If one reads thorough those various ways of saying the same condition a few times - that should be helpful.

 

[z_0101]

Although that may be a condition for general indulgences; however, for the Divine Mercy that is not a true statement.
Before anyone argues with me - Please go to the TheDivineMercy.org: Divine Mercy 101 and read about the message.
You can also listen to part of the message as given by:
Fr. Chris Alar, MIC: Divine Mercy Conference
Fr. Alar’s order is charged to keep this chrism and we just had him at our Parish as a mission - three days of talks about this exact message and he brought this exact point up and clearly stated that for the Divine Mercy, this was not a condition.

Please help spread the true message of our Lord’s deep Love and desire for Mercy for the world by linking to the TheDivineMercy.org website.

I’m sorry, but your information is incorrect.

According to the following:

I may have mis-read the literature and/or mis-understood Fr. Alar during the Mission. It was over three days and there was a lot of information given out during his lectures.

The above objectively applies to all of the faithful; and any statements made in St. Faustina’s diary are private revelation, and we may not bind people’s consciences to them.
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Actively attempting to make private revelations trump official Church pronouncements is, in my view, never a good practice, and it should be avoided at all costs.

• You overstate my position on this… If you have read any of my other posts, you would know that I try to be very true to the magisterium.
• Your accusation is a bit uncharitable. I was in no way attempting to “bind” people nor “trumping official Church pronouncements” - you could take a lesson from BookCat in how to point out that somone may have mis-understood some point of information.
• I will of course be following up on this, as BookCat pointed out ( in a much more respectful and charitable tone) there appears to be two different aspects of the Divine Mercy going on here that I have apparently confused, and I will be looking for answers thru the Marian Fathers of the Immaculate Conception’s website and documentation.

 

[z_0101]

As I now understand, and as BookCat so kindly pointed out:

There is in the Private Revelation to St. Faustina a special grace received by the faithful whom receive communion in a state of grace and trusting in the Divine Mercy of our Lord - this is what I thought OP was referring to the first post.:
thedivinemercy.org: Understanding Divine Mercy Sunday - PDF Chapter III, opening and section 1 - please click thru for context
– this is not related to the indulgence established by the Church other than being a feast day. Once again I advise reading the above document.

There is also a plenary/partial indulgence as BookCat so kindly pointed out, and InNomineDomini seems to dismiss as unimportant - least I corrupt devout Catholics by pointing out the Grace one receives from the feast-day according to the private revelation given to St. Faustina (Lord forbid I should force anyone to believe in this - certainly not my intent):

On June 29, 2002, in a decree of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Holy Father Pope John
Paul II granted a plenary and a partial indulgence to the devout observance of the Second Sunday of Easter, “Divine Mercy Sunday.” The decree offers:

a plenary indulgence, granted under the usual conditions…
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If you read further in the above document you well see (emphasis by my hand):
thedivinemercy.org: Understanding Divine Mercy Sunday - PDF Chapter IV, section 3
It is important to note that the Church’s provision of these indulgences for Mercy Sunday devotions does not constitute either a substitute for, nor an official endorsement of, the extraordinary graces promised by our Lord to St. Faustina for those who receive Holy Communion with trust in God’s mercy on that day. As explained above (see Chapter IV, section 3), the complete renewal of baptismal grace promised by our Lord to St. Faustina — the “extraordinary grace” par excellence of Divine Mercy Sunday — is something even greater than a plenary indulgence.
This new plenary indulgence offered by the Church is therefore an opportunity to receive additional graces on this extraordinary feast day!

THUS - of one is seeking **only **the plenary/partial indulgence as established June 29, 2002 - then the ordinary conditions apply and please feel free to ignore the Mercy that St. Faustina writes about in her diary.

HOWEVER, if you believe in the Feast of Divine Mercy as reveled to St Faustina, then there is a much greater grace to be received along with the indulgence as established by St. Pope JP-II.

PLEASE - CLICK THRU TO THE PDF FILE or got to the thedivinemercy.org site directly and locate the document there… of course there is the link in my sig to to a talk given by Fr. Alar that covers this information… for those that don’t like to read. Personally, I find him very easy to listen to.

Therefore as so often happens in our faith, it’s not either/or but both/and… I am both Right and Wrong - just depends upon which aspect of the Divine Mercy Sunday one is discussing and I hope that people following this thread can see where I mixed the two aspects of the Divine Mercy Sunday instead of thinking that I would promote something contrary to the magisterium in some malformed and dangerous attempt to lead people astray.