Divine Office

[SacredHeartFan]

I have a copy of the “Christian Prayer” and I really do not understand it! I can understand and do the St. Jospeh edition but I have the one by the Pauline Press. It completely confuses me! Any info. or advice would be appriciated!!

 

[tee_eff_em]

I have a copy of the “Christian Prayer” and I really do not understand it! I can understand and do the St. Jospeh edition but I have the one by the Pauline Press. It completely confuses me! Any info. or advice would be appriciated!!

I really do not understand the question? Can you be more specific, what is giving you difficulty?

The DoSP edition of Christian Prayer has all of the same parts as that of CBP. The most remarkable differences that come to mind (and I would think would make it *easier *not harder) are the incorporation of Daytime Prayer into the Psalter and the inclusion of hymns for the offices (and likewise, the exclusion of CBP’s “musical selections”)

• Proper of Seasons
• Ordinary
• Psalter
• Night Prayer
• Proper of Saints
• Commons of Saints
• Office of the Dead
• Office of Readings (select)

tee

 

[GIMJ]

I posted about this on another thread:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=4024503&postcount=29

Even if you don’t want the four-volume set, download the how-to guide that I have linked there. It is a big file, but if you have high-speed connection, it’s definitely worth your while. It explains how to pray the Office very well.

If you can afford it, I would recommend the four-volume set because it’s a lot easier to follow, plus then you have the Office of Readings. Buy one volume at a time for $35 until you have them all. You could request it for a Christmas or birthday gift even.

 

[SacredHeartFan]

for the question is does anyone have the Pauline Press edition of the Christian Prayer?

 

[tee_eff_em]

for the question is does anyone have the Pauline Press edition of the Christian Prayer?

Is Pauline Press the same as Daughters of St Paul? If so, yes, I have (well, my bride has) a copy.

Do you have a specific question/confusion?

tee

 

[SacredHeartFan]

Is Pauline Press the same as Daughters of St Paul? If so, yes, I have (well, my bride has) a copy.

Do you have a specific question/confusion?

tee

any info or websites that tell you how to use it? the explination in the front of the book confuses me. i plan to get the full liturgy of the hours. I guess I should have been more specicifc in my OP.

 

[tee_eff_em]

I can understand and do the St. Jospeh edition but I have the one by the Pauline Press.

any info or websites that tell you how to use it? the explination in the front of the book confuses me. i plan to get the full liturgy of the hours. I guess I should have been more specicifc in my OP.

How is it you can use the Catholic Book Publishing (St Joseph) edition, but not the Pauline Press version??

The two editions have essentially the same material and layout – I noted above that a primary difference is that the DoSP includes Daytime Prayer within the Psalter, rather than a separate section (with a selected week).

What prevents you from applying your knowledge of the CBP edition to the DoSP? I do not understand?


tee

 

[ricmat]

There’s a wonderful on-line tutorial (for evening prayer) at this site:

liturgyofthehours.org/evening_prayer_tutorial/player.html

And an on-line version of the same information that is in the St. Joseph guide.

liturgyofthehours.org/todays-pages/christian-prayer

PS: at the bottom of the second page above, there is also an audio presentation of morning and evening prayer for each day.

Between these 2 items, you can probably figure out about 95% of “how to do it”!

Good luck and God Bless!

 

[tee_eff_em]

I have a copy of the “Christian Prayer” and I really do not understand it! I can understand and do the St. Jospeh edition but I have the one by the Pauline Press. It completely confuses me! Any info. or advice would be appriciated!!

:idea: I think I figured you out. If I may offer a constructive criticism/correction: You do not understand how to use the CBP (St Joseph) *Christian Prayer *-- You understand how to interpret the *guide *CBP publishes in conjunction with their Christian Prayer! (No mean feat in itself)

If you want a page-by-page guide for the DoSP edition, you might try the store where you acquired it, or contact them directly, Pauline Books & Media - Daughters of St Paul.

But you might be better served if you learn to *understand *the book and its layout. Here is one such explanation, [post=1051273]Need SERIOUS help with praying Liturgy of the Hours[/post]. This might help too: [post=2648220]tee_eff_em’s Rules of Thumb for Celebrating Various Offices[/post] (little to nothing authoritative there, natch’). Or you might explore some of the links others have posted in this and similar threads (cf. those linked at the bottom of the thread).

tee

 

[tee_eff_em]

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I asked a Pauline Cooperator friend (her blog is the link in my sig). Perhaps the DoSP do not publish an annual ordo? However, she recommends:

There is a short pamphlet that the Paulines print called How to Pray the Liturgy of the Hours

by Judith Kubicki, CSSF

It is keyed with page numbers from the Pauline edition of the Hours, although it is intended for anyone with any copy.
I would guess the title below it on that page might also be worth the extra two bucks.

tee

 

[totustuus2345]

My advice would be to start praying a simplified version of the Office until you get the hang of the pattern and rubrics, My Spiritual Director has me on the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary it is layed out according to the Rubrics of the Liturgy of the Hours on a weekly cycle, it gets a little tidious however, repeating the same stuff every week, (i’ve been on it for 2 years now, ugh!) but its a very, very, VERY , good test of personal discipline and obediance, (thats why my spiritual director won’t let me move up yet) but its a good way to get the feel of the Liturgy.

XC
Pat

 

[mammallama]

These prayer books can be pretty pricey…I got mine off ebay for less than $10. it had belonged to a nun which makes it special to me.

 

[Pro_Domina]

How could the “layman” version of the Divine Office (or Liturgy of the Hours) be hard?

All you have to know is the day of the week you are in and the week of the 4-week Psalter.

I do recommend to pray the “real” Office.
The 4 volume one. As much as the trads bad mouth the reforms and the progressivists not follow the reforms as they exist, the Council did wonders in the richness of the Liturgy of the Hours and the Liturgy of the Word in the Mass.
Now that the specific bishop confrence messes it up is another story.

The American version is terrible.

I pray either in Spanish or Italian. Occasionally Latin.

You can’t beat the Latin version.

It is exactly like the original Latin texts!

 

[Pro_Domina]

My advice would be to start praying a simplified version of the Office until you get the hang of the pattern and rubrics, My Spiritual Director has me on the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary it is layed out according to the Rubrics of the Liturgy of the Hours on a weekly cycle, it gets a little tidious however, repeating the same stuff every week, (i’ve been on it for 2 years now, ugh!) but its a very, very, VERY , good test of personal discipline and obediance, (thats why my spiritual director won’t let me move up yet) but its a good way to get the feel of the Liturgy.

XC
Pat

He is going to bore you.

Not that repetion is bad. It is lack of progress.

I don’t pray the Little Office daily. I only sing it every once in a while.

The Liturgy of the Hours always. Along with the full 20 mysteries of the Rosary, at least once daily reception of Holy Communion, adoration and other personal devotions (litanies…)

Now when you have a good grasp of the basic indispensable (Rosary, Daily Communion and perhaps the LotHs) and if you still have time for the personal stuff, then you can keep that rythem till you die.

But always with more devotion and higher horizons!