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I’m not sure if thiss is in the right place, bu anyway…

When you divorce, is the actual divorce wrong, or is it only if it has a negative influence on other parts of life (eg. children feeling unloved or betrayed, or ex-wife/husband being hurt)?

I’ve beeen wondering about it for a while, because there seem to be so many divorces that hurt people badly, but then again some aren’t so bad:confused:
 
the short answer all divorce is wrong. all divorce has some or all of the effects you mention and others you have not thought of yet. Yes sometimes everything appears to go well. Sometimes it takes a little while sometimes a year or two before the couple (particularly with children) realizes how bad things really are.
 
You have to realize that marriage is a sacramental reality on the same level as recieving the eucharist. . . divorce is kinda like spitting out the body of christ.
 
yes divorce is objectively sinful, but there may be situations were the guilt of the individual is reduced or non-existent. for instance in this country civil divorce is often necessary to secure the rights of the injured spouse and of the children. One may be divorced against their will in many states, in which case they would not be morally guilty. Separation is allowed if there is a good reason–abuse etc., and if civil divorce is the only way to achieve that, it is permitted. Yes it is also true that one or both parties may be guilty of sin in the acts or omissions that led to the divorce, in which case those sins should be confessed and absolved as well.
 
There are allowances for divorce. Like, did one or both parties not take their vows seriously (like my ex did)? Was either one or both drunk at the time? That sort of thing. Divorce is a painful process. My was particularly nasty. :eek:
 
Divorce would not be wrong if the marriage was an invalid one.
 
Divorce is a civil concept only, for Catholics.

Therefore, divorce it self is not sinful. It is often necessary to protect property rights, custody etc. The Church recognizes this. A Catholic who has had a civil divorce may receive the sacraments.

What is sinful is to try and contract a 2nd marriage w/o a decree of nullity. Relations with the new spouse are adultery b/c the first marriage is presumed valid until ruled otherwise.

God Bless
 
bilop said:
Divorce is a civil concept only, for Catholics.

Therefore, divorce it self is not sinful. It is often necessary to protect property rights, custody etc. The Church recognizes this. A Catholic who has had a civil divorce may receive the sacraments.

What is sinful is to try and contract a 2nd marriage w/o a decree of nullity. Relations with the new spouse are adultery b/c the first marriage is presumed valid until ruled otherwise.

God Bless
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Is this true bilop???
It seems to me that wilful seperation and divorce is a violation of the vow to love and to hold for better or worse and to be together for the purpose of procreation and sharing in the faith.

James
 
When you marry, you take vows. When you divorce, you violate those vows.
 
CentralFLJames said:
Is this true bilop???
It seems to me that wilful seperation and divorce is a violation of the vow to love and to hold for better or worse and to be together for the purpose of procreation and sharing in the faith.

James
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If you separate for no reason, sure.

But if you separate b/c your spouse has an affair, or is abusive, or abuses your children, or is a drug addict/alcoholic or any number of good reasons, then civil divorce can be necessary to protect you financially and in regards to child custody.

In this case divorce is justified, and the innocent spouse can receive the sacraments as long as they don’t attempt to re-marry w/o a declaration of nullity. Divorce is not sinful for the innocent party.

If civil divorce were never justified, how would the Church ever grant decrees of nullity. The tribunal will only procede after a civil divorce is final.

God Bless
 
Thanks - I learn new things now and then. 👍

I have never had to look into this part of the Church Teaching too deeply since I never considered it an option nor ever had any reason to consider it.

James
 
There is one thing that we seem to have overlooked on answering this.

I only post it here, because I have been wondering about this for about 2 weeks now…

Now, we all know that God hates divorce, and that it was only allowed under strict circumstances to Moses (Leviticus, I think)

But what does Jesus teach? See Matthew 19:9
“And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery”
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www.biblegateway.com

Why does Jesus say, except for Immorality, (or in other translations, except for adultery), and yet the Catholics don’t see that as a valid reason?

I mean Jesus Himself made that an exclusion from the sacrament.
 
AeroChunky said:
There is one thing that we seem to have overlooked on answering this.

I only post it here, because I have been wondering about this for about 2 weeks now…

Now, we all know that God hates divorce, and that it was only allowed under strict circumstances to Moses (Leviticus, I think)

But what does Jesus teach? See Matthew 19:9

www.biblegateway.com

Why does Jesus say, except for Immorality, (or in other translations, except for adultery), and yet the Catholics don’t see that as a valid reason?

I mean Jesus Himself made that an exclusion from the sacrament.
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This is an unfortunate translation error that confuses some. Here is the proper translation.

I say to you, whoever divorces his wife (unless the marriage is unlawful) and marries another commits adultery." NAB

In the Catholic Church adultery is recognized as wrong and it can be forgiven, and if a spouse wrongly divorces his mate he can be forgiven. However, for the Catholic, forgiveness only comes with conversion. That is, he or she, would be required to reconcile with their legitimate (first) mate, or at least not engage in marital relations with another. If a spouse sins by cheating on his vows by divorcing and marrying another he is required to repent and to renew his respecting and keeping of his original vow to his first and legitimate sacramental mate by not engaging in marital relations with another.

James
 
AeroChunky said:
There is one thing that we seem to have overlooked on answering this.

I only post it here, because I have been wondering about this for about 2 weeks now…

Now, we all know that God hates divorce, and that it was only allowed under strict circumstances to Moses (Leviticus, I think)

But what does Jesus teach? See Matthew 19:9

www.biblegateway.com

Why does Jesus say, except for Immorality, (or in other translations, except for adultery), and yet the Catholics don’t see that as a valid reason?

I mean Jesus Himself made that an exclusion from the sacrament.
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Catholic Answers article about divorce and the Church in general:

catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0610btb.asp

And a good discussion of the “porneia” issue quoted above:

catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0007bt.asp

Adultery or immorality do not really have the full meaning of “porneia”.
 
cecilia97 said:
Catholic Answers article about divorce and the Church in general:

catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0610btb.asp

And a good discussion of the “porneia” issue quoted above:

catholic.com/thisrock/2000/0007bt.asp

Adultery or immorality do not really have the full meaning of “porneia”.
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I don’t have a lot of time, but, from that website:
An Exception to the Rule?
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Some Christians hold that Jesus made an exception to the rule of permanence of marriage when he said that “whoever divorces his wife, except for unchastity, and marries another commits adultery” (Matt. 19:9, emphasis added; cf. Matt. 5:31–32.) The word translated as “unchastity” here is the Greek word porneia (from which the word pornography is derived) and its literal meaning is debated among Scripture scholars. Full treatment of this topic is beyond the scope of this article,
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Even here the rebuttle to the popular translation is not 100%.

Not merely an unfortunate translation error, but maybe “untranslateable” is a better word?

Popular translations favour adultery, unchaste or a derivative thereof…even where the word pornography is derived from…

Then the Catholics translate it as Unlawful?

Honestly, it sounds like the Catholics translated that bit to keep with their teachings.

There, I said it.
 
AeroChunky said:
I don’t have a lot of time, but, from that website:

Even here the rebuttle to the popular translation is not 100%.

Not merely an unfortunate translation error, but maybe “untranslateable” is a better word?

Popular translations favour adultery, unchaste or a derivative thereof…even where the word pornography is derived from…

Then the Catholics translate it as Unlawful?

Honestly, it sounds like the Catholics translated that bit to keep with their teachings.

There, I said it.
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No - its a perfectly rational translation. This unlawful translation prevents some protestant sects from condoning polygamy (unlawful). It also prevents marriage to underage children (again ulawful). It also prevents marrying another person who is divorced and not anulled (unlawful). In other words if a person married another under a false set of beliefs that they were in fact marriable in the church and later found out they were not marriable then this person can be divorced since they are not really married anyway.

James
 
Divorce is wrong. However the mortal sin is the auldtery which follows. If one marrys again then each time they have sex they are committing a mortal sin. This is how is has been explained to me a divorced, remarried, excommuinicated Catholic, who attends Mass every Sunday but does not go to Holy Communion. I go to Mass because I am a Catholic and this is how I know how to pray and be close to God. I can feel God hearing me during Mass.
I can only hope my divorce and remarriage was for the greater good. I know it was salvation for 3 of the 4 children involved and I pray THAT ALMIGHTY GOD MAY HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL, FORGIVE ME MY SINS AND BRING ME TO EVERLASTING LIFE.
I see on here and fear I am damned. I hope Jesus is all merciful because if He is not, there are a lot of people going to Hell.
 
Divorce isn’t wrong – it’s impossible. Civil divorce, sure, but the sacrament of marriage is insoluble by anything except the death of one of the spouses.
 
My parents were divorced when I was about 2 1/2, and got back together when I was about 10.

Believe me, a child who does not have two parents is a child who has been badly short-changed.
 
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