Dmitry Rostov a Saint?

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What I find most interesting is how insistant the Old Believers have been about the Immaculate Conception. They’re not a group given to “Latinizations” by any means.

Another point to consider is that the Immaculate Conception was introduced to the West from the East in the Middle Ages; the opposition to the teaching in the West, by the likes of St. Thomas Aquinas, was partially based on the fact that it was a tradition that was only found in the East, and not in the West, and therefore wasn’t universal. The notion nowadays that it comes from the West is very humorous given the actual history of the teaching. 😛

Peace and God bless!
 
They’re not a group given to “Latinizations” by any means.
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That is an understatement. St. Gregory Palamas wasn’t, either, nor was Emperor Manuel II Paleologus. Cyril Lukaris, certainly anti-Latin to a great degree, also preached it in his sermon on the Dormition. Nicholas Coursoulas’ 17th century theological manual in Greek affirmed the I.C. Certainly St. Peter Mohyla held it and blessed the formation of an Orthodox brotherhood dedicated specifically to the Immaculate Conception. The 1666 Council of Moscow approved Polotsky’s theology manual which specifically held the I.C. And, of course Amfitreoloff’s dogmatic theology manual used in a number of seminaries, reproduced Palamas’ work affirming the I.C.

As the retort from Constantinople to Rome stated in the late 19th century, the dogma was not the problem but that it was non-synodal in its promulgation.
 
Diak said:
I believe yours is the “different version of history”. The Rus’ people are split into far more than three nations. Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Moldova and Lithuania just to get us started, and that does not even cover the diaspora.
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How is it you include Hungary, which used to be part of the Austrian-Hungarian Emire? Moreover, Hungarians were not Slavs!
 
Besides that, though, this thread is very interesting. Thanks for having launched this one, Marduk.
 
Lapell said:
How is it you include Hungary, which used to be part of the Austrian-Hungarian Emire? Moreover, Hungarians were not Slavs!
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Carpatho-Rusyns were mostly within the borders of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire and later many found themselves in Hungary after borders were redrawn. The Exarchate of Miskolc was set up for Rusyn speaking Carpatho-Rusyns in Hungary while the Magyarized Carpatho-Rusyns and Magyars had the Eparchy of Hajdudorog. Today The Bishop of Hajdudorog administers both jurisdictions.

Fr. Deacon Lance
 
<<What I find most interesting is how insistant the Old Believers have been about the Immaculate Conception. They’re not a group given to “Latinizations” by any means.>>

There is an Old Believer Wiki that specifically repudiates the Immaculate Conception.

oldbelievers.wetpaint.com/page/Old+Believers+and+the+Immaculate+Conception

Of course, the same site also says that fossil fuels are the remains of people who died in the Flood and rebellion of Korah. The fact this stuff is still black, yet has not returned to dust, shows that such fuels are the remains of those under God’s curse.

oldbelievers.wetpaint.com/page/Petroleum+Warning

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Cluny said:
<<What I find most interesting is how insistant the Old Believers have been about the Immaculate Conception. They’re not a group given to “Latinizations” by any means.>>

There is an Old Believer Wiki that specifically repudiates the Immaculate Conception.

oldbelievers.wetpaint.com/page/Old+Believers+and+the+Immaculate+Conception

Of course, the same site also says that fossil fuels are the remains of people who died in the Flood and rebellion of Korah. The fact this stuff is still black, yet has not returned to dust, shows that such fuels are the remains of those under God’s curse.

oldbelievers.wetpaint.com/page/Petroleum+Warning

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That site is aimed at priestless OB’s, who are clearly no longer orthodox, let alone Orthodox.
 
The same OB Wiki condemns the use of electricity as “strange fire” and dismisses English as being an unholy “hodge podge.”

Yet the ownner of this side scruples not to use a computer (which combines petrochemicals and electricity) to post his nonsense in English.
 
Not to mention his claim that ancient Greek was a divinely revealed language while all other languages (including modern languages - apparently including modern Russian!) are pagan languages revealed by the Devil. And that the bodies of the saved turn white after death while the bodies of the damned turn black and become petroleum. And wheels are a pagan invention since Pharaoh had chariots, and therefore they are demonic.

Interestingly, however, the page on the “Russian Catholic Church” (posted by someone else) was quoted straight from the webpage of the Pontifical Institute for Oriental Studies (though it wasn’t cited as such).
 
Well, it just goes to show the silliness one goes off into when the apostolic hierarchy of the Church is rejected.
 
Deacon_Lance said:
Carpatho-Rusyns were mostly within the borders of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire and later many found themselves in Hungary after borders were redrawn. The Exarchate of Miskolc was set up for Rusyn speaking Carpatho-Rusyns in Hungary while the Magyarized Carpatho-Rusyns and Magyars had the Eparchy of Hajdudorog. Today The Bishop of Hajdudorog administers both jurisdictions.

Fr. Deacon Lance
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O. K., thank you for this piece of information.
 
KyivAndrew said:
No, he is not a saint in the Ukrainian Catholic Church. He was canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church. The internal arguments of the Orthodox Church at the time of Dmitry are quite interesting because Russia did not have as much learned religious as Ukraine did with the Kyivan Mohyla Academy; hence, Russians depended at this time on theological learning to a great extent from Ukrainian religious such as Feofan Prokopovych, and many others. The irony of course was that Moscow took this learning from East Slavics’ “Jerusalem” Ukrainian Kyiv, and later went on to subjugate the Ukrainian Church fully to Moscow, erasing it of its own particularities. But that is wholly another story.
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According to Saints.SQPN.com, Dimitri of Rostov is a Catholic saint. Wouldn’t that automatically make him a Ukrainian Catholic Saint?
 
Barry_Gabriel said:
According to Saints.SQPN.com, Dimitri of Rostov is a Catholic saint. Wouldn’t that automatically make him a Ukrainian Catholic Saint?
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No, I think that is wrong as the site you linked to mentions it’s a work in progress on lists of saints. There is no mention of Dimitry of Rostov on the standard references for Catholic Saints here:

catholic.org/saints/stindex.php?lst=D

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_saints

americancatholic.org/features/saints/ByName.aspx?letter=D

He is a Saint in the Russian Orthodox Church however.

Ukrainian Catholics celebrate the Feast Day of Saint Demetrius the Great Martyr on November 8, 2009, and we have churches named after this ancient saint not Dmitry of Rostov, as here: stdemetrius.org/

The above is a large parish with its own daily Ukrainian Catholic School in Toronto. This is the St. Demetrius of our Ukrainian Catholic Church; and the Roman Catholic Church does not register Dimitry of Rostov a saint as far as I can tell. Why would they if he was an Orthodox Bishop? If I find a contrary view, I’ll post.

Andrew
 
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