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JOHNYJ
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Hell Yes !
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kev7
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Thanks to the blessings of Christ., the catholic understanding of sex has remained the same.
It is only the surrounding culture that has become obsessed with sex. You only have to surf the chanels to realize that our culture has gone nuts about it.
The more obsessed the world becomes with immoral acts the more it will view the church as repressed.
As Catholics we strive to fill our minds with what the spirit wants and not what human nature wants. Human nature only leads to death
It is only the surrounding culture that has become obsessed with sex. You only have to surf the chanels to realize that our culture has gone nuts about it.
The more obsessed the world becomes with immoral acts the more it will view the church as repressed.
As Catholics we strive to fill our minds with what the spirit wants and not what human nature wants. Human nature only leads to death
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felra
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Your observation and take is right on.
I can only wag my head in amusement (and in pity and sorrow) at the pervasive societal pubescent obsession with sexual indulgence. The constant pushing the envelope of testing limits and showing that they are not going to be told what to do by a parental/authority figure, as they parade their exploits and point the finger at the “repressed” Church headed by celibate old men. The adolescent mind-set and rebellion against authority is transparent and found its modern day birth in the 60’s. “Good” Catholics have not been immune as they have en mass joined the primordial demonic chant “I will not serve”.
Perhaps most damaging are those “good” Catholics who throw out the labels of “rigid”, “legalistic”, “puritanical”, “repressed”, “scrupulous”, “self-righteous”, …on fellow Catholics for simply pointing out what is proper and honoring in marital sexual love. A Catholic who gives witness to the fullness of marital sexual love (both procreative and unitive and never to be seperated ) is too often labeled as presenting their own distorted version of how Catholics should conduct themselves in attitude and behavior. It does not take much to be persecuted for one’s faith, inside and outside the visible Church. I believe that those “sophisticated”, psychologically “liberated” Catholics who falsely accuse and wag the finger at Catholics who adhere to orthodox Catholic teaching are only manifesting for all their own “developmentally delayed” adolescent attitudes.
True sexual freedom lies in the the enlightenment and proper exercise of one’s largest sexual organ–the mind. The problem seems that too many Catholics want to enjoy the spontaneous expression and pleasure of marital sexual love, but please don’t expect me to read the owner’s manual for how to sanctify and make holy our sexual expression and exchange. Catholic sexual love is sacramental, i.e., a sacred means of and visible form of grace.
Get it right you sexually “oppressed” (and obsessed) Catholics!
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cynic
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Read some more of kev7’s posts and you’ll realize that he doesn’t acknowledge any ‘unitive’ side of it.
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Scanner
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I disagree, Kev.
That is very cynical.
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felra
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Read some more of cynic’s posts and you’ll realize that she doesn’t acknowledge the sacramental meaning (both procreative and unitive) in each and every conjugal act of intercourse, i.e., it is acceptable to contracept the marital act; does not believe that the Church’s teaching on contraception is infallible; does not ascribe to the notion of absolutes in determination of morality. Point being: Good to qualify the source that is offering critique of what it means to embrace the " ‘unitive’ side of it."
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felra
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Fallen human nature (which we all have) as the result of original sin can only lead to death. Otherwise, why else would we be in need of a savior and the redemption of our bodies?
See Romans 6:1-9, 7:1-4, 8:1-4; 1 Cor. 15:1-5 for a biblical understanding of the death consequence of our fallen human nature.
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MariaGorettiGrl
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For people who are “repressed” about…you know…that thing married people do…that one ‘s’ word… SEX …we certainly talk about it a lot. Our pope, Joh Paul II, wrote a whole book about it! And, frankly, we must do it a lot because look at all the kids Catholics have!
“Repressed” clearly isn’t the right word. Perhaps you mean healthy and/or self-controlled because we can wait until we’re married and then we usually just do it with one person.
As for including God in it, that’s basically the way we do everything but sin. Life and all good things came from God. It doesn’t make sex ( I said that ‘s’ word again!) dirty. That makes it respected so that it can be far more enjoyed. Watching other people do it and using porn and talking about it like it’s something you do in secret in a motel room under a fake name, that makes it dirty. But last time I checked, the Catholics weren’t the one doing that.
In closing, I’d just like to say SEX
SEX …we certainly talk about it a lot. Our pope, Joh Paul II, wrote a whole book about it! And, frankly, we must do it a lot because look at all the kids Catholics have!“Repressed” clearly isn’t the right word. Perhaps you mean healthy and/or self-controlled because we can wait until we’re married and then we usually just do it with one person.
As for including God in it, that’s basically the way we do everything but sin. Life and all good things came from God. It doesn’t make sex (
I said that ‘s’ word again!) dirty. That makes it respected so that it can be far more enjoyed. Watching other people do it and using porn and talking about it like it’s something you do in secret in a motel room under a fake name, that makes it dirty. But last time I checked, the Catholics weren’t the one doing that.In closing, I’d just like to say SEX
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Fox
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Sex is fun and good in the confines of marriage that is 
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Personally nudity doesn’t bother me, guess due to the fact that I grew up around it living in Europe and all. Porn though is a different ball of wax.
.Personally nudity doesn’t bother me, guess due to the fact that I grew up around it living in Europe and all. Porn though is a different ball of wax.
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antiaphrodite
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God started it! Blame Him!
The Catholic Church does not in any way have a repressed attitude about sex!!! no way!!!
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StCsDavid
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If Catholics have a repressed attitude towards sex…why are there soooo many large Catholic families?
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kev7
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Thats too bad you say that. Perhaps you should read this.
Romans 8:5-8
"Those who live as their human nature tells them to have their minds controlled by what human nature wants. Those who live as the spirt tells them to have their minds controlled by what the spirt wants. To be controlled by human nature results in death; to be controlled by what the spirt wants results in life.and peace.
And so when a person becomes and enemy of God he is controlled by his human nature; for he does not obey Gods law, and infact cannot obey it. Those who obey their human nature cannot please God. "
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kev7
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The less the world accepts the teachings of the church and makes fun of its followers the more my faith in the catholic church increases.
People can call us catholics what ever they want. It does not matter. We all know that you can’t be a friend of this world and be a friend of christ. If you are a friend of christ the world will hate you.
Continue… please continue to call us repressed. Call us stupid, whip us, even throw us to the lions. Just be sure of the fact that we will die with smiles on our faces.
People can call us catholics what ever they want. It does not matter. We all know that you can’t be a friend of this world and be a friend of christ. If you are a friend of christ the world will hate you.
Continue… please continue to call us repressed. Call us stupid, whip us, even throw us to the lions. Just be sure of the fact that we will die with smiles on our faces.
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Rob_s_Wife
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**Exactly the way I would express it! **
And, I’ll say it again: As a mother of 7, I can assure you neither I nor my dh are not repressed in this regard! **For that matter, we are eager to name another sacrament if the Lord allows!
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GodBlessJoanie:
**And, I’ll say it again: As a mother of 7, I can assure you neither I nor my dh are not repressed in this regard!
**For that matter, we are eager to name another sacrament if the Lord allows! **
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Ruthie
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Kev, the Bible translation you’re reading did not do well when they translated sarx as “human nature.” . The New American Bible, and the Revised Standard Bible, Catholic Edition, both have “flesh” instead of “human nature,” as do most other versions. (KJV, NKJV, NASB, NASB 1977, YLT - I’ve got Bible software) The NIV has “sinful nature,” a much better paraphrase than “human nature.” Even one of the “modern language” paraphrases, “God’s Word,” has “corrupt nature,” allowing for part of our nature to not be corrupt.
Specifically applied to Rom. 8:3, Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words says sarx (the greek) means “the weaker element in human nature”.
Human nature certainly includes fleshly desires. But it also includes the desire for God. Human nature is not completely sinful.
Specifically applied to Rom. 8:3, Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words says sarx (the greek) means “the weaker element in human nature”.
Human nature certainly includes fleshly desires. But it also includes the desire for God. Human nature is not completely sinful.
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kev7
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The “Good News” New testament (todays english version) I have was given to me by the pastor of my church when I was only 6 years old. It has my name on it, and as long as it doesn’t get destroyed it wil lbe the only bible that I ever plan to have and read from. In my mind this is the version that God wanted me to have and I plan to keep it that way.
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felra
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Here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says regarding your clarification:
404 How did the sin of Adam become the sin of all his descendants? The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. Still, the transmission of original sin is a mystery that we cannot fully understand. But we do know by Revelation that Adam had received original holiness and justice not for himself alone, but for all human nature. **By yielding to the tempter, Adam and Eve committed a personal sin, but this sin affected the human nature that they would then transmit in a fallen state.**294 It is a sin which will be transmitted by propagation to all mankind, that is, by the transmission of a human nature deprived of original holiness and justice. And that is why original sin is called “sin” only in an analogical sense: it is a sin “contracted” and not “committed” - a state and not an act.
405 Although it is proper to each individual,295 original sin does not have the character of a personal fault in any of Adam’s descendants. It is a deprivation of original holiness and justice, but human nature has not been totally corrupted: it is wounded in the natural powers proper to it, subject to ignorance, suffering and the dominion of death, and inclined to sin - an inclination to evil that is called concupiscence". Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases original sin and turns a man back towards God, but the consequences for nature, weakened and inclined to evil, **persist in man and summon him to spiritual battle. **
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