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RomanCatholic66
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Catholic Dogmas and Catholic Doctrines? My friend claims that Catholicism does not require the Eastern Catholics to believe in The Immaculate Conception, Purgatory, Assumption, etc… 
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SyroMalankara
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The question is circular. Eastern and Western Catholics believe the same essentially, but express these differently due to varying Patristic teaching and terminology. So do Eastern Catholics believe in “purgatory” - we believe praying for the dead is virtuous and efficacious. That’s the essence if it. The rest of the scholastic teaching of the medieval West need not be believed as essential. The same is true for the rest.Catholic Dogmas and Catholic Doctrines? My friend claims that Catholicism does not require the Eastern Catholics to believe in The Immaculate Conception, Purgatory, Assumption, etc…
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Peter_J
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Have you noticed that nobody says “Do Latin Catholics accept Catholic dogmas and doctrines?” Interesting, no?
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Augustine
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The Eastern and the Western Churches have the same beliefs, but different understanding and ways to teach about them. These specific examples are largely considered unnecessary speculation in the Eastern context and theological developments in the Western context. What fits one Church didn’t necessarily fits another. Still, the beliefs at their roots are shared intact by the same Churches.
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LethalMouse
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I am a big fan of not caring about semantics 
Honestly anyhting left up to non infallibility usually doesn’t matter much.
There is here I think a confusion of eastern catholic vs orthodox.
As the assumption of Mary is not accepted since it was not an infallible teaching prior to schism for the Orthodox but to be in communion with Rome (Eastern Catholic) then that one they would accept.
Even the EO don’t actually infallibily teach she was NOT assumed. Just they don’t lean that way.
TBH I have little concern of the topic… the logistics of how Mary went to heaven holds about a total of zero effect on my life…
And the details of purgatory whether western or eastern version won’t matter because it will be what it is when and if I end up there regardlessof what I think.
Honestly anyhting left up to non infallibility usually doesn’t matter much.
There is here I think a confusion of eastern catholic vs orthodox.
As the assumption of Mary is not accepted since it was not an infallible teaching prior to schism for the Orthodox but to be in communion with Rome (Eastern Catholic) then that one they would accept.
Even the EO don’t actually infallibily teach she was NOT assumed. Just they don’t lean that way.
TBH I have little concern of the topic… the logistics of how Mary went to heaven holds about a total of zero effect on my life…
And the details of purgatory whether western or eastern version won’t matter because it will be what it is when and if I end up there regardlessof what I think.
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twf
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This isn’t true. The Orthodox, like Catholics, believe that Our Lady died, shared in the resurrection of her Son, and was assumed into heavenly glory body and soul. Eastern Orthodox and Catholics celebrate it as a major feast - the Dormition (Falling Asleep) of the Theotokos. (I know one of my fellow Latins is going to jump in and say that we Catholics don’t necessarily believe that Our Lady died…but that is a novel pious belief that crept up a mere 300 years or so ago and has ZERO basis in tradition or the Fathers…even the iconography of St. Mary’s Major in Rome depicts the Dormition).I am a big fan of not caring about semantics
Honestly anyhting left up to non infallibility usually doesn’t matter much.
There is here I think a confusion of eastern catholic vs orthodox.
As the assumption of Mary is not accepted since it was not an infallible teaching prior to schism for the Orthodox but to be in communion with Rome (Eastern Catholic) then that one they would accept.
Even the EO don’t actually infallibily teach she was NOT assumed. Just they don’t lean that way.
TBH I have little concern of the topic… the logistics of how Mary went to heaven holds about a total of zero effect on my life…
And the details of purgatory whether western or eastern version won’t matter because it will be what it is when and if I end up there regardlessof what I think.
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Peter_J
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twf
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Ah yes. Some Orthodox will tell you they can accept the IC if understood properly, but others will condemn it as heresy… You get a full spectrum on that particular question. My cousin who is Orthodox does accept it within the context of the byzantine tradition of the “pre-sanctification of the Theotokos”. When discussing it with the Orthodox, I think it best to emphasize that Our Lady was “full of Grace”, in full communion with the Blessed Trinity, from the first moment of her conception. She was conceived a saint, while the rest of us “put on Christ” at baptism. Emphasizing the “preserved from the stain of original sin” aspect just muddies the water.
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AXO
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This, leaving aside it makes no sense, is regrettable.
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MorEphrem
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It is not only regrettable but it is inappropriate for an Eastern Catholic forum and has no place here. Expressing the insignificance of theological opinions of the West and East is the pinnacle of apathy and in direct contradiction of the Papal exhortations to maintain the integrity of the Eastern traditions for the sake of maintaining a theological richness.
Anyway, back to the original OP’s remark, I don’t find it helpful for Eastern Catholics to use Latin terminology. In fact, using equivalences is in contradict to maintaining the integrity of whatever Eastern tradition is in question. Going back to SyroMalankara’s language analogy, it would be like speaking a language by translating with constant word-to-word equivalences. You might be able to find equivalent words but such modality limits articulation and destroys exclusive idioms. You might as well not use the target language if that’s the case because you eliminate its own character if its simply an exercise in translation. The same holds for other traditions. And as one poster said, the Latins might use Greek terms but often not even with the same connotations as the language itself and only because of a limitation of Latin (one example that makes me cringe, whether or not true, is Pope Pius’s use of the word “hypostatic” to describe Mary’s relationship with the Holy Trinity).
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JosephHope
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I am an Eastern Catholic(Melkite), some differences that I noticed since I also attend Maronite and Roman Catholic services too.
Lent starts on Monday not Wednesday.
Some melkite parishes do celebrate the first Communion but Communion is also given to toddlers who are 3-4 years old, it is not mandatory.
During Lent, special services are held instead of masses, that involves reading and chanting Psalms and other Greek homilies.
The service is much longer, some services take more than two hours.
There is something about the Holy Spirit and his relation to the Father and Son.
And as I said in other threads, if you go everyday to to confession, you’ll be told that it is done once a month and if you ask if you can take Communion, they say that you should never stop receiving Communion even if you are a struggling with some sins.
Lent starts on Monday not Wednesday.
Some melkite parishes do celebrate the first Communion but Communion is also given to toddlers who are 3-4 years old, it is not mandatory.
During Lent, special services are held instead of masses, that involves reading and chanting Psalms and other Greek homilies.
The service is much longer, some services take more than two hours.
There is something about the Holy Spirit and his relation to the Father and Son.
And as I said in other threads, if you go everyday to to confession, you’ll be told that it is done once a month and if you ask if you can take Communion, they say that you should never stop receiving Communion even if you are a struggling with some sins.
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