Do Episcopalians pray the "Our Father" prayer in their worship service?

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From reading posts from Anglicans/TEC posters, it appears most are Anglo Catholics.

I assume this as a former member of TEC, the word Mass was only used in Anglo Catholic parishes. High Church used Holy Eucharist and low church Holy Communiion.

I was wondering if the verbage has changed in the last 30 years or so, as I was an Anglo Catholic for many years and then a Catholic, which really severed my ties with the majority of Anglicans.

Does anyone know why the change or is it still called Mass only within Anglo Catholic and some high church parishes.

Just curious.

Yours in the hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
BernadetteM said:
From reading posts from Anglicans/TEC posters, it appears most are Anglo Catholics.

I assume this as a former member of TEC, the word Mass was only used in Anglo Catholic parishes. High Church used Holy Eucharist and low church Holy Communiion.

I was wondering if the verbage has changed in the last 30 years or so, as I was an Anglo Catholic for many years and then a Catholic, which really severed my ties with the majority of Anglicans.

Does anyone know why the change or is it still called Mass only within Anglo Catholic and some high church parishes.

Just curious.

Yours in the hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
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Still mostly works like that, in my experience.

GKC

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GKC said:
Still mostly works like that, in my experience.

GKC

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Thanks GKC. Once one no longer attends a particular denomination one is likely not to keep updated on the changes.

God Bless

Bernadette
 
BernadetteM said:
From reading posts from Anglicans/TEC posters, it appears most are Anglo Catholics.

I assume this as a former member of TEC, the word Mass was only used in Anglo Catholic parishes. High Church used Holy Eucharist and low church Holy Communiion.

I was wondering if the verbage has changed in the last 30 years or so, as I was an Anglo Catholic for many years and then a Catholic, which really severed my ties with the majority of Anglicans.

Does anyone know why the change or is it still called Mass only within Anglo Catholic and some high church parishes.

Just curious.

Yours in the hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
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Well, I go to two parishes. One is most definitely Anglo Catholic and they do call it Mass. The other is neither high nor low, really, just extremely traditional, and there we call it Sung Eucharist. It’s funny actually, because they even use their own terms in their own literature when referring to the other parish.

I’m not an Anglo Catholic, as it happens. I much prefer to identify myself as an English Protestant, though one with a high view of the sacraments.
 
Indifferently said:
I’m not an Anglo Catholic, as it happens. I much prefer to identify myself as an English Protestant, though one with a high view of the sacraments.
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I used to consider myself Anglo-Catholic and attended an English Missal parish in the village where I worked. In more recent years I’ve moderated my views and am now much more influenced by the Caroline Divines so I’d now describe myself as being more Laudian or Prayer Book Catholic.

BernadetteM’s summary still generally holds true but I think there has been a trend for some parishes to ‘move up the candle’ (get Higher or more A/C) so the term ‘Mass’ may be slightly more prevalent now. I find it quite amusing that parishes who normally use the term Holy Communion have no qualms about having Midnight Mass at Christmas!

In the CofE the term Mass was last used officially in the 1549 BCP. This was dropped in subsequent books - the terms used in the 1662 BCP are The Lord’s Supper and Holy Communion to which Common Worship 2000 adds Eucharist.
 
Symphorian said:
I used to consider myself Anglo-Catholic and attended an English Missal parish in the village where I worked. In more recent years I’ve moderated my views and am now much more influenced by the Caroline Divines so I’d now describe myself as being more Laudian or Prayer Book Catholic.

BernadetteM’s summary still generally holds true but I think there has been a trend for some parishes to ‘move up the candle’ (get Higher or more A/C) so the term ‘Mass’ may be slightly more prevalent now. I find it quite amusing that parishes who normally use the term Holy Communion have no qualms about having Midnight Mass at Christmas!

In the CofE the term Mass was last used officially in the 1549 BCP. This was dropped in subsequent books - the terms used in the 1662 BCP are The Lord’s Supper and Holy Communion to which Common Worship 2000 adds Eucharist.
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It seems like the Church is moving in two directions simultaneously. You can go to a MOTR liturgical parish and they will have an abundance of candles on the ‘altar’ (no longer a Lord’s Table, apparently?), the priest will wear the sorts of vestments Father Tooth was put in gaol for, and do all kinds of formerly unthinkable things like the imposition of ashes on Ash Wednesday.

On the other hand, you now have the ultra-low church parishes which have dumped the liturgy altogether, the minister will turn up in an open-necked shirt, and the worship will be led by some dreadful ‘praise band’.

Sometimes I wish for those simpler days when the principal Sunday service in most of the land was Sung Matins from the 1662 Prayer Book, the minister wore alb and stole, and any suggestion of innovation was equivalent to treason…
 
GKC said:
I just did it again. Irresistible.

GKC
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I’ve wracked my brain trying to come up with a quote that, similarly, expresses the current state of Lutheranism. All I could come up with is “a communion divided by a common confession”.
Alas, would Shaw or Churchill (or whoever it was) complain?

Jon
 
The Anglican Holy Eucharist/Mass is very much in rite 2 as the OF form of the Catholic church with some variations in wording. Both have a penetential rite, going to the Kyries and then the Gloria (ommited ain Advent and Lent). Then a collect,Old testament reading then a pslam epistle reading and Gospel reading followed by a usually brief homily.

Then come the prayers of the faithfull, and then the offertory. then the sursum corda preface and Sanctus. (In English). Then the Eucharistic prayer, the Our Father. (never heard mother, it could be used in some ultra liberal places like Grace cathedral).

Then the breaking of the bread, Agnus Dei and communion, where the people are always allowed the body and blood together by instinction, or seperately or just the host.

Then follows the post communion prayer, and then the blessing.

Really it is hardn to tell the difference, the Anglicans are usually more traditional, and always kneel at an altar rail for Holy Communion.
 
not always kneel. We haven’t done for some time because people getting older and can’t kneel or they can but awkward in getting up. We now stand and we are anglican
 
JonNC said:
I’ve wracked my brain trying to come up with a quote that, similarly, expresses the current state of Lutheranism. All I could come up with is “a communion divided by a common confession”.
Alas, would Shaw or Churchill (or whoever it was) complain?
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Jon,

Perhaps not “divided by a common confession” but “divided by differing understandings of a common confession.” It would be wonderful to have a Lutheran “magisterium” to guide us, but the reality is that we are “cafeteria Lutherans.”
 
gcnuss said:
Jon,

Perhaps not “divided by a common confession” but “divided by differing understandings of a common confession.” It would be wonderful to have a Lutheran “magisterium” to guide us, but the reality is that we are “cafeteria Lutherans.”
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Yeah, Pastor, I know. I was tryng too cutely to use the phrase about Britain and the Us being divided by a common language. 😊

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JonNC said:
Yeah, Pastor, I know. I was tryng too cutely to use the phrase about Britain and the Us being divided by a common language. 😊
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Jon,
I knew where you were coming from. My logical mind was trying to make more precise what I understood you to be saying.
 
gcnuss said:
Jon,
I knew where you were coming from. My logical mind was trying to make more precise what I understood you to be saying.
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And of course there is the fact that you and I, from different synods, find very close to common ground on the confessions. 👍 I would be honored to have you as a pastor/confessor.

Jon
 
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