Do extraordinary ministers have the right to take the chalice or ciboria off the altar?

[superamazingman]

Yes, and you have any number of priests who will refuse to follow that rule, starting with the one looking after our parish:
He refuses to purify the vessels.

I’d be in the sacristy purifying them after every Mass I attended, and writing the bishop if it were my pastor.

 

[MarkThompson]

I’d be in the sacristy purifying them after every Mass I attended,

Laymen are not to purify the Sacred Vessels. That’s an abuse. I can cite the relevant Church Documents if you need me to.

 

[superamazingman]

Laymen are not to purify the Sacred Vessels. That’s an abuse. I can cite the relevant Church Documents if you need me to.

I’m fully aware, but isn’t it more of an abuse to but the eucharist down the drain? (in every parish I’ve seen, the chalices are washed after being purifed [or not, as it is in this case])

 

[MarkThompson]

I’m fully aware, but isn’t it more of an abuse to but the eucharist down the drain? (in every parish I’ve seen, the chalices are washed after being purifed [or not, as it is in this case])

Phemie did not say that the vessels were not getting purified, she said that the priest “refuses to purify the vessels.” In any event, one may not commit one wrong in order that another be avoided.

 

[superamazingman]

Phemie did not say that the vessels were not getting purified, she said that the priest “refuses to purify the vessels.”

It seems to me that it’s safe to assume that they aren’t getting purifed then.

In any event, one may not commit one wrong in order that another be avoided.

Even one that is much worse? In any case, some man of the parish could always aproach the bishop and ask to be institued an acolyte so he can purify.

 

[Dicerning]

Laymen are not to purify the Sacred Vessels. That’s an abuse. I can cite the relevant Church Documents if you need me to.

You are wrong. Acolytes purify. N

Additionally the director of liturgy for my diocese ( a very orthodox deacon) told me that it is much worse to allow the vessels to be “dishwashed” without being purified than to have an unauthorized person purify them.

He told me if our priest refuses to purify then it is my duty even though I am not authorized to prevent the precious sacrament from being dumped into the sewer. The bishop has been notified but in the event that the priest refuses and leaves the church without purifying the. It is prudent to do it before the emhcs start dumping.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

While it’s not suppose to happen (I am only speaking of the Ordinary Form), I see it all the time. It really comes down to the priest enforcing the rules.

Needless to say we still widespread problems in my area with glass and ceramic chalices, missing or ‘strange’ alter cloths, and EEM presuming more responsibility and liturgical action than allowed.:bighanky:

Are you sure about the ceramic chalice…I thought the same thing of our parishes ceremonial chalice…until I was serving as an EMHC…and discovered in washing it that it has bronze (or some sort of metal) underneath…

 

[Phemie]

It seems to me that it’s safe to assume that they aren’t getting purifed then.

No, that would be a wrong assumption. He insists that the EMHCs do it.

Even one that is much worse? In any case, some man of the parish could always aproach the bishop and ask to be institued an acolyte so he can purify.

That won’t happen since only men who are going to be ordained deacons are instituted as acolytes in Canada.

 

[Kevin812]

Are you sure about the ceramic chalice…I thought the same thing of our parishes ceremonial chalice…until I was serving as an EMHC…and discovered in washing it that it has bronze (or some sort of metal) underneath…

With regret they are ceramic (hand made and two toned green). I have been a Sacristan for close to 10 years and have handled them (we have a matching set of four) and can verify with certainty the material.

Let me add, I did not intend to sound negative or grumpy in my original post. I just get grumpy after a while.

To add to the topic: Our EMHC purifies the sacred vessel. With a total of 3 priests and a number of associates, assistants, and in-residence over the last 15 years, I have never witnessed a Sunday Mass where the priest purified the vessels.

I have discussed these issues with our Adult Faith Pastoral Associate (fancy title for the person who controls the sacraments) and written our current Pastor, to no benefit. I’m already risking political martyrdom and I know better to do any more than pray. Frankly, I’ve given up. I’d rather risk the abuse than having no parish to attend.

 

[YoungTradCath]

With regret they are ceramic (hand made and two toned green). I have been a Sacristan for close to 10 years and have handled them (we have a matching set of four) and can verify with certainty the material.

Let me add, I did not intend to sound negative or grumpy in my original post. I just get grumpy after a while.

To add to the topic: Our EMHC purifies the sacred vessel. With a total of 3 priests and a number of associates, assistants, and in-residence over the last 15 years, I have never witnessed a Sunday Mass where the priest purified the vessels.

I have discussed these issues with our Adult Faith Pastoral Associate (fancy title for the person who controls the sacraments) and written our current Pastor, to no benefit. I’m already risking political martyrdom and I know better to do any more than pray. Frankly, I’ve given up. I’d rather risk the abuse than having no parish to attend.

My advice is to contact your bishop. You have clearly made abundant contact with people to no avail. This is the next logical step.

 

[superamazingman]

My advice is to contact your bishop. You have clearly made abundant contact with people to no avail. This is the next logical step.

In fact, you need to contact. As in, you’re obligatated to as a Catholic, if that’s what’s really going on.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

With regret they are ceramic (hand made and two toned green). I have been a Sacristan for close to 10 years and have handled them (we have a matching set of four) and can verify with certainty the material.

Let me add, I did not intend to sound negative or grumpy in my original post. I just get grumpy after a while.

To add to the topic: Our EMHC purifies the sacred vessel. With a total of 3 priests and a number of associates, assistants, and in-residence over the last 15 years, I have never witnessed a Sunday Mass where the priest purified the vessels.

I have discussed these issues with our Adult Faith Pastoral Associate (fancy title for the person who controls the sacraments) and written our current Pastor, to no benefit. I’m already risking political martyrdom and I know better to do any more than pray. Frankly, I’ve given up. I’d rather risk the abuse than having no parish to attend.

That’s too bad…we have had that happen a few time with visiting priest…but NEVER with our priest (purifiying the vessels). I figure it is because they are retired and didn’t realize that this is no longer allowed.