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Str84ward
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Do I have to Confess a near occassion of sin?
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robertmidwest
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If you did not sin, then you do not have to confess.
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Nigel7
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A near occasion of sin is not a sin. It’s a near occasion of it.
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Catholic1954
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No. Only tell the priest when you did it, not when you did not do it.
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jcrichton
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Hi!
…it depends on what you mean… did you think about committing a sin?
Jesus tells us that if we desire in our mind another person we have already committed adultery (clearly, if you are not married and the other person is not married that would be fornication not adultery). So it would follow that if I wish you harm or if I cursed you in my mind I committed the sin… recall if you will the Church’s understanding: “…forgive me, Father, for I have sinned through my own fault. In my thoughts and in my words in what I have done and what I have failed to do…”
Sin is not “near miss.”
…if we have a dream that involves a scenario where the flesh is gratified (sex, indulgence, avarice…) there’s no sin; if we awake and act upon the dream, the willful (my own fault) is operating–sin is committed.
…if you are in the construction industry and someone gives you a job but you are unaware that they have wrongfully procured the materials, you did not sin. If after the job is done you find out about their wrongdoing and you willfully accept new employment, you could be enabling and joining in on their unrighteousness by remaining in their employ.
Maran atha!
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Ron_Conte
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Sometimes, deliberately choosing to enter a situation which is a near occasion of grave sin, is itself a sin, even if the grave sin is avoided. The reason is that the choice to enter the situation is itself an offense against the moral law and is contrary to any well-formed conscience. Persons who love God and neighbor will try to avoid near occasions of grave sin, when possible.
However, strictly speaking, you only have to confess the actual mortal sins that you have committed since your last good confession. Entering a near occasion of grave sin may or may not be itself gravely immoral, depending on whether you had full knowledge and full deliberation, and whether the situation was avoidable.
However, strictly speaking, you only have to confess the actual mortal sins that you have committed since your last good confession. Entering a near occasion of grave sin may or may not be itself gravely immoral, depending on whether you had full knowledge and full deliberation, and whether the situation was avoidable.
There may be a need to confess a near, voluntary occasion of sin. Further, remaining in the near, voluntary occasion of sin without intent to remove it may be reason for the confessor to deny absolution.
Near but involuntary, or remote occasions do not need to be confessed.
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psalm90
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In my parish, the choir sits in the sanctuary, and some of the chairs are very nearly in front of the tabernacle.
There was a young lady who chose to wear the shortest dresses w/ or wo/ leotards. Just being in church for Sunday Mass was a near occasion of sin for me. The young lady was not dressed conservatively. the only thing that preserved her modesty were her crossed legs. And, she routinely sat in the chair closest to the tabernacle, not way over on the side where anybody would miss her.
I walked out. that’s the way that cookie crumbled.
the ONE lady who is a lay minister in this church noticed that I walked out. She asked me about it a week or two later. I told her. The young lady was no longer in the choir, that I can tell.
You’ll read in the Old Testament that the temple priests were directed to wear certain articles of clothing to preserve their modesty and to clothe their nakedness. This was centuries before the British Victorian era of modesty and decorum. Back then, I think the emphasis was to not be like pagan temple priests who may have been very immodest.
There was a young lady who chose to wear the shortest dresses w/ or wo/ leotards. Just being in church for Sunday Mass was a near occasion of sin for me. The young lady was not dressed conservatively. the only thing that preserved her modesty were her crossed legs. And, she routinely sat in the chair closest to the tabernacle, not way over on the side where anybody would miss her.
I walked out. that’s the way that cookie crumbled.
the ONE lady who is a lay minister in this church noticed that I walked out. She asked me about it a week or two later. I told her. The young lady was no longer in the choir, that I can tell.
You’ll read in the Old Testament that the temple priests were directed to wear certain articles of clothing to preserve their modesty and to clothe their nakedness. This was centuries before the British Victorian era of modesty and decorum. Back then, I think the emphasis was to not be like pagan temple priests who may have been very immodest.
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jcrichton
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Hi!
…I can sympathize with you (it happens too frequently at different parishes); also, I applaud your efforts to evade sin/temptation… many of us simply forget the reason why we are in the House of God.
The code you’ve cited was instituted way before the first Temple was erected. It was given to Moses when the Hebrews only had the Tent of the Tabernacle–it is important that you’ve brought this up because it goes to the issue of modesty and behavior… when people dress (or undress) provocatively and how they behave (seeking to attract attention, sensually touching their spouses/mates, gossiping, eating/drinking, tending to electronic devices, playing games with their children/enabling children to treat the Mass as a recreational period, etc.) they are sinning against God. They are not observing the Commandment to Keep the Sabbath and they are partaking of the Bread and Wine only as a matter of family tradition (something that is done without reason or thought).
…it is interesting that “Catholics” complain that they ‘get nothing’ from the Mass… how can an oversaturated sponge soak up anything?
…remember the old teaching about predisposing ourselves for the Mass (no food/drink at least one hour before Mass, getting to the parish prior to the beginning of Mass so that we may contemplate about the celebration, observing a moment of quiet platitude to listen for God’s Voice…), not to mention seeking the Sacrament of Reconciliation/Confession prior to receiving Communion?
…much is being lost to the secular pressure to adapt (new techs) and “be” modern (multi-tasking, aligning with the world rather than clinging to the old “churchy” values and traditions); sadly, we have whole “Christian” cultures basing their faith in the gospel of the entertainment industry: play it loud, make it shine, and make them feel “good.”
Maran atha!
Angel
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Jennifoo
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Excellent post. It’s true that one doesn’t have to confess near occasions of sin. I have, however, found it helpful to mention this to the priest as he can give me insight and advice.
God bless.
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It is possible for there to be sin in entering or remaining in a near occasion of mortal sin - it and it is possible that such could be mortal with the needed requirement for mortal sin being present (grave matter, full knowledge and deliberate consent).
(note well what a near occasion of mortal sin though actually is…it is not a remote occasion and it is not merely a temptation…though we should seek to take care with temptations of course).
Ones confessor can assist one in judging. And one should avoid any scrupling over it too.
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