Do Mormons Believe This?

[JonathanKinsman]

If someone were misrepresenting the Catholic faith (which I also admire and have studied) then I would try to help correct those errors.

How can you claim to be able to defend (from “misrepresentation”) “the Catholic faith” when you make statements that denigrate the God Christians believe in/

**THAT is intellectually shallow. :banghead: **

And that’s supposed to help your point how? So what? Every tradition says the other one is wrong and to be far from the truth. What’s the difference?

YOU made the statement, Fa Chan, clearly inferring that Mormons and Catholics (and Protestants) on this thread reminded you of why as a Christian "one thing I hated was the constant bickering between traditions."

THAT is what my response was to: Mormons are NOT Christians to us Catholics and Protestants. They DO NOT have a “christian” tradition.

THAT statement (and your non sequitor response) is intellectually shallow :banghead:

And that is certainly unfortunate. Again, so what? If I don’t find the Baptists any more authoritative than the Methodists then why would I care what the Baptists think?

Or a Catholic. But you do care (from your statements re Mormonism) to place Mormonism on the same “authoritative” plane as Christians.

**THAT is what I was calling you on. :banghead: **

Boy, it’s too bad you are the only people going to heaven as you are the only “true Christians”.

This is NOT a Catholic belief.

**Nor is it my personal belief. **

**But Catholics are the “original Christians” and those sects which have splintered off from other sects and other denominations are about as “original” as, well, Pure Land Buddhism is to Hinduism. **

And, many Protestant faiths think Catholicism is not true Christianity. Where does all this get us?

Nowhere. I respect people for who they are, regardless of if they are Asian, American, black, white, Mormon, Christian, Muslim. And yes, I appreciate Joseph Smith Jr for his vision and sincere heart.

Why worry about this, you’re not Christian. This thread has Mormons and exMormons who are Catholics and Protestants discussing what Mormons believe.

I am glad that you respect me. And others. As a Catholic we are called to love others, even sinners, you know, people like us who have no idea if we are getting to Heaven.

And I am glad you "appreciate Joseph Smith Jr for his vision and sincere heart."

I pray for his soul, if it is in Purgatory, and if it isn’t I hope and pray others of the Mormon sect will come to understand what a fraud his vision was and how insincere and disrespectful he was to his wife and to those other ‘wives’ he claimed that God wanted him to have.

I’m wondering what I was “called on” and I don’t recall not answering direct questions. If there is something I missed, you can certainly ask me again. Non-responses?
Intellectually shallow? Please explain.

My first response to you asked for your “advice” on Zerinus.

You never answered.

Non-responses and intellectually shallow: if you had read this post I think your question is answered.

 

[Fa_Chan]

 

[JonathanKinsman]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=1973719&postcount=26

Here is the link, Fa Chan, with your posting at 23 and my response at 26 on another thread: Do Mormons Believe God was Once a Man?

Again, I have no hostility to you (and I am sure you will not believe this) but I will have no truck with statements denigrating my Faith (yours about God) or let your statements which I disagree with (about Mormonism) go unchallenged.

If that is “hostility,” then you should look to another source for tranquility, this is the marketplace of ideas from a Catholic perspective.

Non-Catholics are welcomed. But do not cry “foul” when you deny others the same privilege. That, too, is intellectually shallow.

 

[Fa_Chan]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=1973719&postcount=26

Okay, and my response is here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=1974324&postcount=28

To which I clearly replied. So, why are you still denying I answered you?

Here is the link, Fa Chan, with your posting at 23 and my response at 26 on another thread: Do Mormons Believe God was Once a Man?

Again, I have no hostility to you (and I am sure you will not believe this) but I will have no truck with statements denigrating my Faith (yours about God) or let your statements which I disagree with (about Mormonism) go unchallenged

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I didn’t denigrate your faith. I simply said that I found the Christian God strange and envisioned him as more compassionate and kind. That’s an honest assesment of my belief. If you can’t handle that, it’s not my issue, it’s yours. It’s not a challenge to the Catholic faith. It’s an honest statement about my vision of the Christian God. I really don’t see what’s so disagreeable about that.

If that is “hostility,” then you should look to another source for tranquility, this is the marketplace of ideas from a Catholic perspective.

Non-Catholics are welcomed. But do not cry “foul” when you deny others the same privilege. That, too, is intellectually shallow.

I have my own tranquility that doesn’t rest upon others. I came here 2 1/2 years ago because I was curious about the Catholic faith. I even met with a priest here locally to discuss my concerns and interest in the Church. My intent is honest and sincere and I would not intentionally speak ill of others.

I met many wonderful Catholics who helped me as best they could. They were kind and treated me with respect. I met others who were not so, but I see them as humans as I am, prone to weakness.

We should not engage in dialogue for it only brings negative results.

Again, I wish you Godspeed and blessings…

Fa Chan

 

[Allweather]

But what about the similarities? I mean, in all fairness the parallels are striking - stone tablets, metal plates; urim and thummim in both faiths, etc.

The similarities exist because of a deliberate attempt by the Mormon founder to ape Christianity without actually BEING Christian. This is a common ploy. I could spend hours listing the many ways in which Protestants ape Catholicism, from the phony-almost-Roman collar on Benny Hinn, to the use of the words Jesus Christ in the name plates of clearly non-Christian religions.

I think the God that Christians serve is very strange. If he exists, I don’t believe he is the person people portray him to be. I envision him as kinder, more compassionate and loving.

I absolutely agree! “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard…” One of the problems of Mormonism (since we are still at least peripherally on this topic) is that they claim that God has a body of flesh and bone, hair and teeth. They also claim that various people, including Joseph Smith, had seen God in person. This runs quite contrary to the orthodox view of God as spirit, an uncreated being without a physical body, whom no man hath seen.

 

[Fa_Chan]

The similarities exist because of a deliberate attempt by the Mormon founder to ape Christianity without actually BEING Christian. This is a common ploy. I could spend hours listing the many ways in which Protestants ape Catholicism, from the phony-almost-Roman collar on Benny Hinn, to the use of the words Jesus Christ in the name plates of clearly non-Christian religions.

That is possible. That is, that Joseph took the things from the Bible and made up his parallels. It’s possible, but I also see his parallels as synchronization of the gospel as a whole.

I absolutely agree! “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard…” One of the problems of Mormonism (since we are still at least peripherally on this topic) is that they claim that God has a body of flesh and bone, hair and teeth. They also claim that various people, including Joseph Smith, had seen God in person. This runs quite contrary to the orthodox view of God as spirit, an uncreated being without a physical body, whom no man hath seen.

Wow, here I get steamrolled by Jonathan K because of my statement and you agree with it. Must just be something he doesn’t like about me . I view God as the Bible declares him to be, “God is a spirit and they that worship him…”. If he had a physical body it would die and he would subject to reincarnation (in my cosmology anyway). I also see Him as the Bible declares him, “God is love” in John’s letters. He couldn’t have done the things he was supposed to have in the OT in my opinion.

Peace…

Fa Chan

 

[Allweather]

I view God as the Bible declares him to be, “God is a spirit and they that worship him…”. If he had a physical body it would die and he would subject to reincarnation (in my cosmology anyway). I also see Him as the Bible declares him, “God is love” in John’s letters. He couldn’t have done the things he was supposed to have in the OT in my opinion.

Peace…

Fa Chan

I think God can have an immortal physical body if he chooses to have one. After all, he enfleshed himself as a man, lived a fairly normal human life for 30 some years, being subject to the authority of human parents and the vicissitudes of daily human life in a course land. He forced an issue of blasphemy among the religious leaders of his day, declaring himself equal with God, such that they arranged his torture death, after which he resurrected himself PHYSICALLY and then was assumed BODILY into Heaven. Further, He assures us that WE will also share in this physical resurrection, and be raised to eternal life as glorified beings in eternal vision of His presence.

I also agree with you that God is Love. God is Spirit. He is Truth. He is the Bread of Life, and He gives us this bread to eat, his physical body, consecrated in the Mass. God is many, many things, all of them good, including things that SEEM contrary to OUR estimations of what is good or bad.

 

[JonathanKinsman]

A question for Mormons and ex-Mormons:

Is this idea still current among modern-day Mormons? That the Laminites are getting whiter and more delightsome?

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[Allweather]