Do non-Catholics support illegal immigration like the Catholic Church does?

[yessisan]

So back to topic…

It is also not against the law to speak favorly of immigration, legal and illegal. It is not against the law to lend aid to hispanics without carding them. The Catholic Church has broken no laws. So what’s the beef? The Church is not INS and has no obligation, moral or legal, to enforce immigration laws.

EXACTLY!!

Look, I do not like the current immigration system.

Illegal immigration is bad because those who enter illegally end up in a sub-culture where they feel they cannot turn to the police or other authorities for help. They are often and easily exploited by employers and that is no way to raise a family.

Immigration laws that result in breaking up a family are not just.

Immigration laws that reward people for engaging in any illegal activity, including illegally crossing the border or residing here, are also not just.

In addition, a few of those who come through the porous USA border are here with criminal intent, or at least a willingness to commit crime. (I am glad American borders are porous.) There is a reason why a significant fraction of the prison population, out of proportion to the number of illegals here, were here illegally at the time they committed their crime. And the reason is not because of discrimination.

We need reform. But we also need to protect the people, all people, from those who would do harm.

Couldn’t have said it better :bowdown2:

 

[Frank_J]

Sticks and Stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me

 

[yessisan]

And you’re how old? I’m sorry but with a person who behaves like that, I cannot have a decent conversation. You sound like a 10 yr old with that last comment. I don’t mean to be offensive, but that’s just how 10 yr olds act.

 

[Contarini]

And you’re how old? I’m sorry but with a person who behaves like that, I cannot have a decent conversation. You sound like a 10 yr old with that last comment. I don’t mean to be offensive, but that’s just how 10 yr olds act.

Internet discussions bring out the obnoxious fifth-grader in all of us. Of course, some folks are wise and mature enough that there’s no obnoxious fifth-grader to bring out. Alas, I am not one of those people!

Edwin

 

[Contarini]

Immigration laws that reward people for engaging in any illegal activity, including illegally crossing the border or residing here, are also not just.

I don’t agree with this. This is a place where “double effect” applies. The purpose of an “amnesty” would not be to reward people for breaking the law, but simply to acknowledge their presence in the United States and their (in many cases longstanding and poorly rewarded) contributions to American society.

If the system is broken, then people should not be harshly punished for having violated its rules. The government loses far more authority by insisting on standing by a broken system than by acknowledging that rules and regulations take a backseat to human needs.

Edwin

 

[Tigg]

My thanks to whomever started this thread…I am a new member to this forum and have not read all previous posts on this topic, but I have a question for our American bishops regarding the Church’s position on immigration reform.

I do completely understand the spiritual perspective of social justice issues; welcoming the stranger, helping the oppressed, feeding the hungry, the sacredness and dignity of each person, the right to immigrate and emigrate and find gainful employment; I further understand that the wealth of the earth does not specifically belong to sovereign nations (they are only stewards), etc. etc. I do truly try to live by what the Church teaches on this.

**What I do NOT understand, however, **is if the bishops are aware of the larger political agenda associated with immigration reform (meaning amnesty.) I have studied this issue for about 18 months now and it is unbelievably complex! Our government has enticed illegals here with all manner of rights and privileges (which in, and of itself, is unconstitutional.) They have done so purely as a diversionary tactic to promote the goal of the elitists and their global plutocracy. They wish to dissolve our sovereign borders, and the slave labor wage enriches the corporations who are now firmly entrenched in policy-making decisions at the highest levels of our government.

Evil abounds with this issue of immigration “reform.” It would take many pages to list it all. I believe there are many political facets of this, that the bishops are completely unaware of.

I would love to dialog with anyone who can give me clarification.