Do only Catholics suffer from Church punishments?

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Exactly what Chuch “punishments” are you referring to? The excommunication due heretics and/or apostates? That is the only one I know of, and that would still apply, but only to a person who was baptised into the Church and lsubsequently left. If you are born outside the Church, how could any such thing apply to you? I think you are all obsessed with this idea of punishment. If you are not Catholic, you do not accept the authority of the Church anyway, so why would you even concern yourself with it? I honestly don’t understand. :o
 
On second thought, I’ve been thinking about what you mean. The anathema’s and whatnot referred to Catholics who were leaving the Church to join Luther and the others. The second-generation Protestants would not have the same culpability. They were not turning away from what they were taught. They were simply taught the new doctrine as gospel truth. There is no change in the Church’s position. It was being nicey-nice with everybody because God forbid we come off not nice. We’re darned-if-we-do, darned-if-we-don’t, which is one reason I have embraced it so whole-heartedly as the true Church. It is just that the same culpability does not apply in your case, assuming you were not Catholic at one time.

One reason many Catholics have left the Church is because they were not given proper instruction. I would fall into that category. Woe to those who have been derelict in their duty.
This is why I take great pains to make sure my children know their faith. If they turn away, it will not be from any neglect of mine.
 
On second thought, I’ve been thinking about what you mean. The anathema’s and whatnot referred to Catholics who were leaving the Church to join Luther and the others. The second-generation Protestants would not have the same culpability. They were not turning away from what they were taught. They were simply taught the new doctrine as gospel truth. There is no change in the Church’s position. It was being nicey-nice with everybody because God forbid we come off not nice. We’re darned-if-we-do, darned-if-we-don’t, which is one reason I have embraced it so whole-heartedly as the true Church. It is just that the same culpability does not apply in your case, assuming you were not Catholic at one time.

One reason many Catholics have left the Church is because they were not given proper instruction. I would fall into that category. Woe to those who have been derelict in their duty.
This is why I take great pains to make sure my children know their faith. If they turn away, it will not be from any neglect of mine.
Hello Ceil,

So what do you think of this comparison.

Two people lead the exact same moral lives. Both never enter a Church their whole lives, with the exception of one who spent a couple of hours in Church to be baptized a Catholic as a baby. Should the Pope hold only the one person, who’s only experience in Church was to be baptized Catholic, before he was a year old, to all Church auto anathemas and auto excommunications while the Pope holds the unbaptized person totally free from all Church automatic punishments? Is this fair?
 
entire OP is so full of error and misinformation, and the entire idea of a poll so useless and ridiculous. You do not post an opinion poll on a topic that has already been defined. You can’t have an opinion about a fact.
Poll: cheese is made of milk; cheese is made of gasoline; cheese is made of mud–post your opinion. How stupid.

church punishments, if by that you mean canon law disciplines such as excommunication, of course apply only to Catholics because only Catholics are bound by canon law. that has always been true, no change. You can’t excommunicate (remove from communion or membership) someone who is not already in communion or a member. That would be like Joe Paterno telling a Michigan player: that’s it, you are barred from playing for Penn State. He can’t do it, the Michigan player is not a member of the Penn St. team.

the Catholic church never taught all Protestants are doomed to hell, in fact she taught, (by using canon law discipline against dissident priests) that it is heresy to teach that idea.

that is a complete misstatement of the doctrine that all salvation comes through the Catholic Church. That doctrine is amply defined on the CA homepage and defended in dozens of previous threads here. Do a search if that is what you are really fishing for.
 
If the Catholic Church had punished people for joining a protestant type belief with automatic excommunication, how is it possible then that i came back? iam a former jw. that is considered to be false religion, yet i was not excommunicated at all. of course, my situation was different. i did not publicly deny the Catholic faith either. had i done that, that likely would’ve gotten me excommunicated and rightfully so as i was a baptized Catholic when i was a jw. let me add one other point about my situation, i was blackmailed into being a jw. my ex friend told me that if i did not become a jw she would withold her friendship from me, and i felt pressured into becoming a jw not just because of her, but because of my ex in laws as well. we were not getting along at all, so i erroneously thought that if i became a jw, it would make things better between us, the elders were pressuring me as well.

so out of fear of losing her friendship, and wanting to make my ex inlaws happy, i got baptized as a jw. i also told the elders i did not want to be baptized, but they pressured me. i was already heavily indoctrinated by that time.when i went up to the podium with 3000 others to take my vow, i still did not want to do it, but i looked back at my friend and did it for her.
no other real reason. and believe me, i regret becoming a jw.
it sometimes eats away at me, but it is in the past.

thank God and His true church that i was allowed to come back to the Catholic faith!
 
Hello Ceil,

So what do you think of this comparison.

Two people lead the exact same moral lives. Both never enter a Church their whole lives, with the exception of one who spent a couple of hours in Church to be baptized a Catholic as a baby. Should the Pope hold only the one person, who’s only experience in Church was to be baptized Catholic, before he was a year old, to all Church auto anathemas and auto excommunications while the Pope holds the unbaptized person totally free from all Church automatic punishments? Is this fair?
those offenses that incur automatic communication (procuting an abortion, for instance) only apply when the person has full knowledge and consent, so the Catholic who is not aware of the punishment does not incur the punishment. More misinformation. Why would an unbaptized person be punished by the Church? They cannot be, as previously stated, they are not members of the church. what part of that aren’t you getting? and by the way, as you have been reminded, punishment is not the proper term, excommunication is a penitential discipline intended to assist the person in conversion from the sinful activity and return to communion and to spiritual health. think of a loving parent giving an unruly child a “time-out”.
 
entire OP is so full of error and misinformation, and the entire idea of a poll so useless and ridiculous. You do not post an opinion poll on a topic that has already been defined. You can’t have an opinion about a fact.
Poll: cheese is made of milk; cheese is made of gasoline; cheese is made of mud–post your opinion. How stupid.
Hello puzzleannie,

Please post us a Church quote, with a link, where the Church plainly states that only Catholics, not Protestants, are affected by Church punishments.
 
the Catholic church never taught all Protestants are doomed to hell, in fact she taught, (by using canon law discipline against dissident priests) that it is heresy to teach that idea.

that is a complete misstatement of the doctrine that all salvation comes through the Catholic Church. That doctrine is amply defined on the CA homepage and defended in dozens of previous threads here. Do a search if that is what you are really fishing for.
Hello puzzleannie,

Please give us a Church quote, with link, where someone like Pope Eugene IV, supposedly, clearly pointed out that schismatics will can share in everlasting life and are within the bosom of the Catholic Church. This concept that Protestants are within the bosom of the Catholic Church seems to be a concept developed in the last forty years or so, by modern Popes.

Please give us a Church quote, with link, where Popes advised Protestants that they were within the bosom of the Catholic Church for salvation.

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence (ex-Cathedra and infallible):

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church” (“Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra).
 
Hello all,

It may be that the pollers who voted that both Catholics and Protestants suffer from Church punishments (26.67% of those polled) were the correct ones. What do you think of what I have found in the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia.

What do you think?IV. WHO CAN BE EXCOMMUNICATED?

Since excommunication is the forfeiture of the spiritual privileges of ecclesiastical society, all those, but those only, can be excommunicated who, by any right whatsoever, belong to this society. Consequently excommunication can be inflicted only on baptized and living persons. Although the Church recites against the devil exorcisms in which the word anathema occurs, he cannot be excommunicated, for he in no way belongs to the Church. Among living persons, those who have not been baptized have never been members of the Christian society and therefore cannot be deprived of spiritual benefits to which they have never had a right; in this way, infidels, pagans, Mohammedans, and Jews, though outside of the Church, are not excommunicated. As the baptized cease, at death, to belong to the Church Militant, the dead cannot be excommunicated. Of course, strictly speaking, after the demise of a Christian person, it may be officially declared that such person incurred excommunication during his lifetime. Quite in the same sense he may be absolved after his death; indeed, the Roman Ritual contains the rite for absolving an excommunicated person already dead (Tit. III, cap. iv: Ritus absolvendi excommunicatum jam mortuum). However, these sentences or absolutions concern only the effects of excommunication, notably ecclesiastical burial. With the foregoing exceptions, all who have been baptized are liable to excommunication, even those who have never belonged to the true Church, since by their baptism they are really her subjects, though of course rebellious ones. Moreover, the Church excommunicates not only those who abandon the true faith to embrace schism or heresy, but likewise the members of heretical and schismatic communities who have been born therein. As to the latter, however, it is not question of personal excommunication; the censure overtakes them in their corporate capacity, as members of a community in revolt against the true Church of Jesus Christ. newadvent.org/cathen/05678a.htm

What do you think of the above quote puzzleannie?
entire OP is so full of error and misinformation, and the entire idea of a poll so useless and ridiculous. You do not post an opinion poll on a topic that has already been defined. You can’t have an opinion about a fact.
Poll: cheese is made of milk; cheese is made of gasoline; cheese is made of mud–post your opinion. How stupid.

church punishments, if by that you mean canon law disciplines such as excommunication, of course apply only to Catholics because only Catholics are bound by canon law. that has always been true, no change. You can’t excommunicate (remove from communion or membership) someone who is not already in communion or a member. That would be like Joe Paterno telling a Michigan player: that’s it, you are barred from playing for Penn State. He can’t do it, the Michigan player is not a member of the Penn St. team.

the Catholic church never taught all Protestants are doomed to hell, in fact she taught, (by using canon law discipline against dissident priests) that it is heresy to teach that idea.

that is a complete misstatement of the doctrine that all salvation comes through the Catholic Church. That doctrine is amply defined on the CA homepage and defended in dozens of previous threads here. Do a search if that is what you are really fishing for.
 
Hi,

That was what I was looking for. It is not just protestants who will be judged. It is all of mankind.
Other Eric,

I just wanted to make sure you dont think that protestants are the only ones that will be judged.
Except for some protestants who will be raptured away to avoid judgement.
 
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