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godsent
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Do other religions such as muslims,protestants and even athiests still get accepted into heaven by god?
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TheGarg
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I like to answer this question like this…
“the only way to the Father is through ME” was stated by christ, but we also know that we are not to judge. I personally will not make an assumption either way, and just do my best to witness to them…
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Shiann
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God calls us to absolutely avoid speculation of the condition of another’s soul.
As TheGarg so correctly stated, we can only leave it up to the mercy of God. And since we do not know the breadth of the conditions which he accepts a soul to His Kingdom, it is best to PRAY PRAY PRAY.
And be a good example of the Truth.
Just an aside here, I am often reminded of a certain parable when these types of questions are posed on the boards.
“Do you think (fill in the blank) will get to heaven?”
Feel free to fill the blank in with the following:
Individuals of another race
Aborted children
Infants who did not receive Baptism
Those of another religion
Etc.
The parable of my memory is that of the Prodigal Son. What point is there to speculate on the condition of another’s soul in relation to their destiny for Heaven; other than, to stir up negative emotions in one’s self?
Jealousy- that person hasn’t lived as FAITHFULLY as I have.
Judgementally- that person hasn’t lived as VIRTUOUSLY as I have.
All of these negative feelings only cause to drive wedges between our brothers, and place our own souls in jeopardy.
It is natural to have these questions. Our very nature is comparison. “Keeping up with the Jones’s” so to speak. This one of the most basic ways to determine our success in life.
But God calls us OVER and OVER again to look beyond the successes in this life. And NOT compare our lives with that of our neighbor.
God calls us to keep an ear to God’s calling, and our other ear to our heart. Our job is to synchronize the two.
That’s plenty of work, we need not add a task of trying to do the same for our brother- for him.
May God shower you with blessings.
As TheGarg so correctly stated, we can only leave it up to the mercy of God. And since we do not know the breadth of the conditions which he accepts a soul to His Kingdom, it is best to PRAY PRAY PRAY.
And be a good example of the Truth.
Just an aside here, I am often reminded of a certain parable when these types of questions are posed on the boards.
“Do you think (fill in the blank) will get to heaven?”
Feel free to fill the blank in with the following:
Individuals of another race
Aborted children
Infants who did not receive Baptism
Those of another religion
Etc.
The parable of my memory is that of the Prodigal Son. What point is there to speculate on the condition of another’s soul in relation to their destiny for Heaven; other than, to stir up negative emotions in one’s self?
Jealousy- that person hasn’t lived as FAITHFULLY as I have.
Judgementally- that person hasn’t lived as VIRTUOUSLY as I have.
All of these negative feelings only cause to drive wedges between our brothers, and place our own souls in jeopardy.
It is natural to have these questions. Our very nature is comparison. “Keeping up with the Jones’s” so to speak. This one of the most basic ways to determine our success in life.
But God calls us OVER and OVER again to look beyond the successes in this life. And NOT compare our lives with that of our neighbor.
God calls us to keep an ear to God’s calling, and our other ear to our heart. Our job is to synchronize the two.
That’s plenty of work, we need not add a task of trying to do the same for our brother- for him.
May God shower you with blessings.
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need_to_know
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This probably should be in a new post, but I’d appreciate it if somebody could answer for me - what is the use of us praying for somebody’s soul? Surely we cannot change God’s mind, He must know by the rules He has set down who should go to Heaven and who should go to Hell, and no amount of praying by us will change His mind?
I’m probably wrong, but I’d appreciate if somebody could explain this to me.
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Shiann
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You are correct, once someone is dead and judged by God, you cannot PRAY them out of hell if that is where they have been found worthy.
The prayer I was speaking of, is prayer for those who are still alive- that they might be opened to the full Truth of God. The prayer is also acknowledging God as final judge of our souls, and surrendering to his Mercy.
Prayer-Catholic Encyclopedia
For whom we can pray:
For the blessed prayers may be offered not with the hope of increasing their beatitude, but that their glory may be better esteemed and their deeds imitated. In praying for one another we assume that God will bestow His favours in consideration of those who pray. In virtue of the solidarity of the Church, that is, of the close relations of the faithful as members of the mystical Body of Christ, any one may benefit by the good deeds, and especially by the prayers of the others as if participating in them. This is the ground of St. Paul’s desire that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men (Tim., ii, 1), for all, without exception, in high or low station, for the just, for sinners, for infidels; for the dead as well as for the living; for enemies as well as for friends.
Effects of Prayer:
In hearing our prayer God does not change His will or action in our regard, but simply puts into effect what He had eternally decreed in view of our prayer. This He may do directly without the intervention of any secondary cause as when He imparts to us some supernatural gift, such as actual grace, or indirectly, when He bestows some natural gift. In this latter case He directs by His Providence the natural causes which contribute to the effect desired, whether they be moral or free agents, such as men; or some moral and others not, but physical and not free; or, again, when none of them is free. Finally, by miraculous intervention, and without employing any of these causes, He can produce the effect prayed for.
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JKirkLVNV
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Protestants are not members of another religion. They belong to the same religion as we do, ie., Christianity. Muslims belong to another religion, as do Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. Atheists belong to no religion at all. The Catechism deals with the Church’s relations with each of these different subsets.
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Fox
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Lets call a spade a spade, are Christians who don’t follow the Faith heretics or does that just apply to the people whom origianally broke from the Church? Or are they in Schism like the Eastern Orthodox?
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JKirkLVNV
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Consult your catechism. I don’t have mine in front of me. I know that our “seperated brethren” are dealt with sep. from those in other religions. I also know that it specifically says that we cannot lay the charge of sin against those who were born into the sep. churches/ecclesial communities and that they are to be rec. by the children of the Catholic church with affectionate respect (a paraphrase).
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Steven_Merten
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Hello Godsent,
Anyone who goes to heaven gets there through the blood of Jesus. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are in heaven and they got there through the blood of Jesus.
As for those outside God’s Old Testament or New Testament covenants. We have to ask was the Good Samaratin a Jew under God’s covenant? Was the Queen of the south a Jew under God’s covenant? It would appear that they were not. It would also appear that Jesus believes that they will inherit eternal life.
I fully promote people to become Christians through baptism for the attainment of eternal life. I also do not judge people as automatically going to hell because they are not baptized. I let that decision for God.
NAB LUK 13:28
And there will be wailing and grinding of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and you yourselves cast out. **NAB2 LUK 11:31 **
At the judgment the queen of the south will rise with the men of this generation and she will condemn them , because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and there is something greater than Solomon here. Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
Anyone who goes to heaven gets there through the blood of Jesus. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are in heaven and they got there through the blood of Jesus.
As for those outside God’s Old Testament or New Testament covenants. We have to ask was the Good Samaratin a Jew under God’s covenant? Was the Queen of the south a Jew under God’s covenant? It would appear that they were not. It would also appear that Jesus believes that they will inherit eternal life.
I fully promote people to become Christians through baptism for the attainment of eternal life. I also do not judge people as automatically going to hell because they are not baptized. I let that decision for God.
NAB LUK 13:28
And there will be wailing and grinding of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God and you yourselves cast out. **NAB2 LUK 11:31 **
At the judgment the queen of the south will rise with the men of this generation and she will condemn them , because she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and there is something greater than Solomon here. Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
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Fox
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I will when I get home I’m at work right now. Its a tough call and I’m leaning towards perhaps the originators of it were in effect heretics. On that vien of thought why then are Eastern Orthodox considered schismatics still when we have more in common with them then protestant faiths?
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MadelineLovesYa
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**No, they go to Purgatory. Lke in Dante’s Inferno Virgil, a “virtuous Pagean,” is in Purgatory. I think Protestants go to Heaven eventually. I’m not sure though, they may also stay in Purgatory. **
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TheGarg
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MadelineLovesYa said:
Purgatory is for everyone,fyi, and since noone is perfect, everyone will need clensing…and it is also good to pray for the deceased, since judgment day has not come yet…since Christ has not come back yet to 'judge the living and the dead". …
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wcknight
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A few saintly souls get to go straight to Heaven, especially if they did their cleansing time here on earth.
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yes, pray for the souls in Purgatory and they will pray for you when you get there.
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tuopaolo
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Atheists don’t go to heaven because only those who die in the state of grace, possessing the theological virtue of charity go to heaven. The theological virtue of charity is love for God for His own sake. Atheists obviously don’t love God. And the theological virtue cannot exist on earth without the theological virtue of faith and atheists by definition don’t have the theological virtue of faith.
Moslems and Protestants might go to heaven if they are not guilty of any mortal sins and God has special mercy on them
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kayla
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I beleive that anyone, even protestants who truely love God with all their heart will get into heaven…however I read somewhere that the safest relegion to die in is Catholic.
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otm
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I met an atheist, and I didn’t believe in his version of God either, but that didn’t make me an aetheist.Atheists don’t go to heaven because only those who die in the state of grace, possessing the theological virtue of charity go to heaven. The theological virtue of charity is love for God for His own sake. Atheists obviously don’t love God. And the theological virtue cannot exist on earth without the theological virtue of faith and atheists by definition don’t have the theological virtue of faith.
Moslems and Protestants might go to heaven if they are not guilty of any mortal sins and God has special mercy on them
You can make a logical statement that results in the conclusion that aetheists do not go to heaven, but reality doesn’t always play by your logical construct, for the simple reason that people are not so simplistic.
Many aetheists have a false notion of God, which they reject. That does not automatically imply that they live their lives as if there were no God, nor does it automatically imply that they reject God as he truly is. If all they are doing is rejecting a false notion of God, and trying to live their lives according to the moral order as they understand it, that pretty much puts them in the camp with the pagans, or heathens, or those from other religions. And the Church teaches that while salvation is only through Christ, how God works that out is beyond our ken.
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turboEDvo
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Does this mean that legions of Catholics go to Heaven?the safest relegion to die in is Catholic.
Sorry 
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laadan
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In light of Heb 9:27, why would you pray for someone’s soul?
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laadan
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Question 1: Acts 4:12
Question 2: Roms 1:18-20
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jjwilkman
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2 maccabees 2;38…
i guess, one way or the other, we all have to time in purgatory.
that is why we pray for the dead.
i think i have read (i know i have) that it is better to suffer on earth, as it is also expiatory.
i think all people have the opportunity to make it to heaven. the Catholic church actually is the easiest way.the rules may seem at first glance to be strict, but they are for our own good, as are the Commandments.
i guess, one way or the other, we all have to time in purgatory.
that is why we pray for the dead.
i think i have read (i know i have) that it is better to suffer on earth, as it is also expiatory.
i think all people have the opportunity to make it to heaven. the Catholic church actually is the easiest way.the rules may seem at first glance to be strict, but they are for our own good, as are the Commandments.
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