Do RCIA and/or teen catechism classes prepare defense vs. Muslim evangelists?

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I’m relatively new to this site, so if this has been brought up before, forgive me–but I did a search and didn’t find anything, and I’ve been through the first 10 pages of subjects on this forum without seeing anything.

A few months ago I stumbled upon a youtube video of a young woman converting to Islam. She was previously Catholic. As you know, on youtube similar videos are suggested when you watch one, so others popped up, and I watched some of them too…the more I watched, the more horrified and fascinated I became.

At this point I should point out that I am not some yahoo who has never known any Muslims and doesn’t know anything about Islam. I have studied Islam since 1965; I taught English at universities in Egypt and Saudi Arabia for seven years. I studied Arabic for nine years at three different universities. I have a near-PhD in Islamic Studies (no dissertation). One of my best friends in grad school is a prominent Shi’i Imam. So.

As I went further down the rabbit hole of these videos, I began striking out in different directions–certain Muslim evangelists began popping up on a lot of videos, so I learned about them and bought some of their books. I bought the few academic books that have been written on Westerners converting to Islam (usually in Europe). I bought first-hand accounts of converts. I’ve gone to various pro- and anti- Muslim web sites to analyze the arguments each side uses. I could go on, but you get the idea.

A quick summary of what I’ve learned so far: In the UK, about 30,000 native English have converted to Islam. In general, 75% of converts are women, usually between 15-24. Some of the more prominent converts have been Catholics (a priest, several nuns, a lot of pious Catholics who said the rosary every day, etc.). Muslim evangelization is highly organized and well funded–this was a big surprise for me. It ranges from open houses at the local mosque to street preachers to large rallies at sports stadiums. Converts are used as the face of Islam in TV debates and youtube videos. A new generation of Muslim evangelists who are born in the West and speak perfect English, and often have studied the Bible, are taking this effort to a whole new level.

Evangelicals have taken the lead in fighting back. They have several excellent web sites and a lot of videos. The Catholic presence in this youtube world is precisely 0. The best Catholic web site I’ve found is catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/islam/ which is OK, but superficial in many respects and not nearly as good as the Evangelical sites. So seemingly Catholics have abandoned the field to Muslim evangelists–I can only assume Catholics are pre-occupied with visions of ecumenicism.

So after watching these conversion videos, one of my main questions is how well do RCIA classes or religion classes in Catholic high schools, or catechism classes for high school students prepare their students to defend their faith? The most obvious tactics of Muslim evangelists are to question the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. According to the videos I have seen and the books I have read, Catholics have no clue why they believe these things, and are totally incapable of defending their belief to an outsider.

Watching the Q&A sessions that follow the Muslim rallies is embarrassing–for the Muslims, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. The questioners have no idea about their own faith, and they are easily thrown into confusion and made to look ignorant–which they are.

Any thoughts out there?
 
Evangelicals have taken the lead in fighting back.

Watching the Q&A sessions that follow the Muslim rallies is embarrassing–for the Muslims, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. The questioners have no idea about their own faith, and they are easily thrown into confusion and made to look ignorant–which they are.

Any thoughts out there?
In my experience, Catholics have done poorly in teaching the faith to their own in the past 50yrs. They have been cowered by evangelicals to keep it to themselves and therefore have not bothered with evangelizing. The only hope I see is evangelical converts to the Catholic faith using their experience to counter the Muslims. Converts like Scott Hahn who are teaching the faith and equipping Catholics to teach and share the faith.
 
So after watching these conversion videos, one of my main questions is how well do RCIA classes or religion classes in Catholic high schools, or catechism classes for high school students prepare their students to defend their faith?
RCIA’s purpose is more about inner conversion than apologetics, so you can take it off your list.
 
It’s like everything else with the Catholic Church - the degree of preparation varies, depending on who is teaching, who is running programs, who the pastor is, who the bishop is, etc.

I learned most of my apologetics information about Islam from taking world history in Catholic school in 5th grade. It wasn’t an issue back then, but we learned a lot of general information about Islam that wasn’t pretty.

Sigh. Yes, it’s discouraging that we don’t usually get ahead of the curve.
 
I think the simple explanation is that in the U.S., where Catholic apologetics seems to be most popular, the Muslim population is less than 1% of the general population. Catholics in the U.S. encounter Muslims and Muslim arguments much less than they encounter those from Protestants or atheists. Thus, a lot more time and energy is directed at those groups.

That said, I think basic catechesis in Catholic doctrine is going to go a long way without necessarily requiring training targeted towards arguments coming from specific groups. If Catholics know why Jesus is God and what that means for their lives, then they should be equipped to defend their belief to Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, and anyone else.
 
RCIA isn’t a class to defend the faith, but to learn it. It is the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults. It is preparing your to be fully received into The Church, not some defender of the faith class.
 
RCIA isn’t a class to defend the faith, but to learn it. It is the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults. It is preparing your to be fully received into The Church, not some defender of the faith class.
Right. RCIA is more about showing the beauty of the Catholic faith rather than pointing out where everyone else is wrong. 😛 Save that for the post-baptismal mystagogy. 😃
 
The comments so far have been disheartening, particularly about RCIA. I would have thought that the basics would start with “Why do Catholics think Jesus is God?” and “Why do Catholics believe in the Trinity?” Maybe not. To me this isn’t apologetics so much as basic knowledge of religion.
 
The comments so far have been disheartening, particularly about RCIA. I would have thought that the basics would start with “Why do Catholics think Jesus is God?” and “Why do Catholics believe in the Trinity?” Maybe not. To me this isn’t apologetics so much as basic knowledge of religion.
To be fair, you framed the question as one of being preparation for countering Muslim evangelists. That is apologetics. Had you asked, “Does RCIA assist people in understanding the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus?” you would have received different answers.
 
We need more laypeople doing this type of work. Now that my children are older, I’ve been thinking about it myself…
 
RCIA is about learning the faith and salvation history. That, in itself is ALOT to cover.
No RCIA class needs to get into heated debated about terrorism and how to counter it.
We had a guy teaching RCIA that would get on his soapbox, and it was a real class killer.

Teens are learning about morality, the application of their faith in real life situations. There’s limited time there with them as well, if they even are enrolled in Catechesis.

People tend to forget that Catechesis is a LIFELONG thing.
Once you have at least scratched the surface of our beliefs, our history, and developed a good prayer life/spirituality, etc…there is time for personal development and commitment regarding how to combat heresy, religious conflict, and terrorism. Many people are catechized by the popular media, so YES there is a need for people to educate and protect themselves. Absolutely. I don’t think either RICA or Youth Catechesis has the time, frankly, to get into it very deeply. We DO focus on Catholicism as the one true Church.
All the time. We even profess it in Mass, no?
God bless. Good topic.
 
years ago the fashion was buddhism now its islam.the reason we have open days at mosques is to limit the bigotry and ignorance we grew up with. an hours visit to any mosque is not going to make me or anyone else a muslim
 
RCIA is about learning the faith and salvation history. That, in itself is ALOT to cover.
No RCIA class needs to get into heated debated about terrorism and how to counter it.
We had a guy teaching RCIA that would get on his soapbox, and it was a real class killer.

Teens are learning about morality, the application of their faith in real life situations. There’s limited time there with them as well, if they even are enrolled in Catechesis.

People tend to forget that Catechesis is a LIFELONG thing.
Once you have at least scratched the surface of our beliefs, our history, and developed a good prayer life/spirituality, etc…there is time for personal development and commitment regarding how to combat heresy, religious conflict, and terrorism. Many people are catechized by the popular media, so YES there is a need for people to educate and protect themselves. Absolutely. I don’t think either RICA or Youth Catechesis has the time, frankly, to get into it very deeply. We DO focus on Catholicism as the one true Church.
All the time. We even profess it in Mass, no?
God bless. Good topic.
I don’t think the OP is talking about countering terrorism, but is speaking about knowing one’s knowledge of Catholicism well enough so that one couldn’t be won over by Muslim evangelists who are trying to convert Catholics to Islam. It is about theology - not terrorism.
 
years ago the fashion was buddhism now its islam.the reason we have open days at mosques is to limit the bigotry and ignorance we grew up with. an hours visit to any mosque is not going to make me or anyone else a muslim
I grew up knowing very little about Islam - so I had no preconceived idea about Islam. Muslims are evangelizing and Islam is definitely more evident here in the United States with a number of mosques in many cities and towns so if someone does not have a strong foundation in their own faith - what the Trinity means for exanple - an hour visit to a mosque could open the door to someone wanting to learn more about Islam and believing Islamic apologetics.
 
I don’t think the OP is talking about countering terrorism, but is speaking about knowing one’s knowledge of Catholicism well enough so that one couldn’t be won over by Muslim evangelists who are trying to convert Catholics to Islam. It is about theology - not terrorism.
No one can “counter” anything until they know their own faith.
 
I grew up knowing very little about Islam - so I had no preconceived idea about Islam. Muslims are evangelizing and Islam is definitely more evident here in the United States with a number of mosques in many cities and towns so if someone does not have a strong foundation in their own faith - what the Trinity means for exanple - an hour visit to a mosque could open the door to someone wanting to learn more about Islam and believing Islamic apologetics.
Psalm 139 He saw all of us,no labels.No quotes.Afew seconds either way you could have been a muslim,an anglican,who knows even a sikh
 
RCIA’s purpose is more about inner conversion than apologetics, so you can take it off your list.
That having been said, those in RCIA are taught about the Trinity and about the hypostatic union of Christ during the Period of Inquiry, and since they receive this teaching as adults, they have a more recent and more adult understanding of these concepts than someone who learned about them in 1st Grade, with a quick review in 9th Grade, and probably never thought about it again. (Assuming they attend the Period of Inquiry, and assuming they pay attention during the lectures.)
 
Well, in cases like these it’s important to note:
  1. There are reportedly far more Islamic scholars and officials converting to Christianity than nuns, a priest and a handful of British Catholics who pray the rosary a lot. So, conversions go both ways.
  2. Reportedly, many people who convert to Islam end up returning to whatever religion they were before. I suspect this may be the case with young people. In the USA, some young people fiddle with Eastern religions, but what they really figure they want is no religion.
  3. I very much doubt that any RCIA class will teach specifics on countering Islam, but with the Truth on your side (Catholicism), you cannot lose as long as you stick to the teachings and don’t make excuses for some selfish cause like so-called gay “marriage”.
 
I grew up knowing very little about Islam - so I had no preconceived idea about Islam. Muslims are evangelizing and Islam is definitely more evident here in the United States with a number of mosques in many cities and towns so if someone does not have a strong foundation in their own faith - what the Trinity means for exanple - an hour visit to a mosque could open the door to someone wanting to learn more about Islam and believing Islamic apologetics.
Well they’re not here
 
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