Do we remember our loved ones in hell?

[MtnDwellar]

I can only say, that through my own near death experience, I came to understand that if we go to heaven we will know and understand everything. In that must certainly come the understanding of why someone might be in hell and we would not be disturbed or hurt by this. About the only other thing I could possibly add, is that what we think we KNOW and UNDERSTAND is so far from our ability to truly KNOW and UNDERSTAND I can find no words to explain it.

Cricket’s post sounds similar to what I was thinking.
We can know that the souls in heaven are aware of the souls in hell from the parable about the rich man and Lazarus.
I believe that having full knowledge and being able to consider things from God’s perspective, will allow us to actually rejoice in the glory of His judgment. I know that probably sounds impossible from our current perspective, but it changes after the beatific vision.

 

[Petaro]

I must say that I find the tone of your comment a bit offensive. I don’t think I said anything so stupid or offensive to God in my post hat deserves such a condescending attitude. I stand by my statement. I cannot *imagine *being happy in Heaven without my loved ones. That does not mean that I will be unhappy in Heaven without my loved ones, but simply that this reality surpasses my human understanding at this point in my life. Makes sense?

I can understand both sides of the discussion. If we truly understand Heaven then we will be with our creator and thus complete in this relationship alone. However I understand our natural love for our family and can feel the distress this possibility of a loved one in hell could inspire. It surpasses my understanding also so I rely solely on the love of God to find forgiveness in His heart for everyone I care for. I trust Him. Even for my wife (only kidding Darling).
Don’t worry about your son, as the good Lord has a special place in His heart for the mentally affected. Trust Him as you trust no one else, for no one else deserves the love and trust Jesus deserves. Remember worry can sometimes be a insult to Him for this reason.God Bless both you combatants.

 

[chefmomster2]

I can understand both sides of the discussion. If we truly understand Heaven then we will be with our creator and thus complete in this relationship alone. However I understand our natural love for our family and can feel the distress this possibility of a loved one in hell could inspire. It surpasses my understanding also so I rely solely on the love of God to find forgiveness in His heart for everyone I care for. I trust Him. Even for my wife (only kidding Darling).
Don’t worry about your son, as the good Lord has a special place in His heart for the mentally affected. Trust Him as you trust no one else, for no one else deserves the love and trust Jesus deserves. Remember worry can sometimes be a insult to Him for this reason.God Bless both you combatants.

Thanks! This is quite helpful!

 

[Vigilant]

Pray the Divine Mercy Chaplet for your son, fervently and often. Offer all your good works, and all your pain and suffering for the saving of his soul, and others like him. Persevere, and trust in God.

Also, offer handfulls of Holy Water for him at the font. You can ever offer Masses and Communions for him. Just don’t give up and do nothing.

We are responsible for what we know.

 

[SoulSolace]

:hug1:

I hope you are doing well.

When my own child started experiencing problems I began to do a lot of internet and other research, and was really shocked at how common the problems such as you mentioned are.

God really does love all of us (yes, I am starting to see that now) and that love will be ‘complete’ in Heaven.

I am continuing to pray for you and your son. I wish I could offer more help…

God bless and keep you and your family.

 

[TRH1292]

Contra Mundum said :** “I simply cannot imagine being happy in Heaven, and [yet] knowing that my loved ones are in hell.”**

I am so sorry that you consider living with God the Father and Jesus Christ as no reason to be Happy in Heaven.
That, and the fact that Satan will no longer be able to adversely affect you, should make Life in Heaven a relatively positive experience.

I assume that living in Heaven is going to be a WOW experience.
And, part of that WOW is no longer worrying about all the stupid things that used to upset us on Earth.

I would ask you Contra Mundum :
Obviously, you have a Relative or 2 who lived a Sin-filled life, and would most likely have been sent on a one-way trip to Hell.
So, if that is True, why are you NOT in a permanent state of un-Happiness here on Earth?

If you can answer this question, then you will understand that in Heaven, it must be a whole lot easier to accept the things that God has allowed to occur.

Not an appropriate way to speak at all.

 

[Bob_Crowley]

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Assuming he went to hell (not a judgment, just for this question) how could I possibly be in complete happiness in heaven (assuming I got there) if I knew my son was in hell? A friend told me that I would be made to forget him. That thought is also painful.

I trust the Lord’s promise of eternal happiness, but I just don’t know how this works? Do you?

I had the peculiar experience of my father turning up in my bedroom the night he died. He materialised near the door (although in a ghostly, spiritual fashion - not solidly like Christ), he started with an apology for his years of deliberate cruelty, we argued and talked, and at the end he gave this absolutely terrifying scream and then just disappeared.

I think he’s in hell, judging by the scream. In any case he fulfilled the church’s definition of mortal sin many times over and never repented as far as I know.

However during the proceedings, at one stage, he blurted out, “I always was doomed! I didn’t really have any choice!” I was an atheist at the time, but I managed to argue back saying "That can’t be right!’ (odd stance for an atheist - where did I get this concept of “rightness” from?). He replied, “Oh, it’s right, all right! You can see that from here!”

But later he admitted, “I was WILLING…!” (to act as he did). So whether he “always was doomed” or not, he admitted he was willing (I’d say very willing).

Now I can’t say I regarded him as a “loved one”. He’d been so relentlessly cruel and vindictive that by the time he died, I hated him. I wanted nothing to do with him.

But the question is that when I die myself, and if I eventually get to heaven, how will I perceive his eternal fate?

From my current mortal viewpoint, I have to admit I don’t know. But if what he said was correct, somehow we’ll know that it’s “right”, or if you like, just.

In the case of your son, there seems to be a mental issue. Not long after I became a Christian the eldest son of the pastor committed suicide. He had manic-depression (I think they call it borderline personality disorder these days). Now I don’t know how his (Protestant) family regarded his suicidal decision, but I personally think he’s in Purgatory, and not Hell. But that’s only my opinion.

The fact is that we won’t know until we die ourselves and these things are revealed to us.

 

[chefmomster2]

I had the peculiar experience of my father turning up in my bedroom the night he died. He materialised near the door (although in a ghostly, spiritual fashion - not solidly like Christ), he started with an apology for his years of deliberate cruelty, we argued and talked, and at the end he gave this absolutely terrifying scream and then just disappeared.

I think he’s in hell, judging by the scream. In any case he fulfilled the church’s definition of mortal sin many times over and never repented as far as I know.

However during the proceedings, at one stage, he blurted out, “I always was doomed! I didn’t really have any choice!” I was an atheist at the time, but I managed to argue back saying "That can’t be right!’ (odd stance for an atheist - where did I get this concept of “rightness” from?). He replied, “Oh, it’s right, all right! You can see that from here!”

But later he admitted, “I was WILLING…!” (to act as he did). So whether he “always was doomed” or not, he admitted he was willing (I’d say very willing).

Now I can’t say I regarded him as a “loved one”. He’d been so relentlessly cruel and vindictive that by the time he died, I hated him. I wanted nothing to do with him.

But the question is that when I die myself, and if I eventually get to heaven, how will I perceive his eternal fate?

From my current mortal viewpoint, I have to admit I don’t know. But if what he said was correct, somehow we’ll know that it’s “right”, or if you like, just.

In the case of your son, there seems to be a mental issue. Not long after I became a Christian the eldest son of the pastor committed suicide. He had manic-depression (I think they call it borderline personality disorder these days). Now I don’t know how his (Protestant) family regarded his suicidal decision, but I personally think he’s in Purgatory, and not Hell. But that’s only my opinion.

The fact is that we won’t know until we die ourselves and these things are revealed to us.

Thank you for sharing!

 

[hazcompat]

If: your premise

Then: It will be as if they never existed.

Peace

 

[Vigilant]

I had the peculiar experience of my father turning up in my bedroom the night he died. He materialised near the door (although in a ghostly, spiritual fashion - not solidly like Christ), he started with an apology for his years of deliberate cruelty, we argued and talked, and at the end he gave this absolutely terrifying scream and then just disappeared.

I think he’s in hell, judging by the scream. In any case he fulfilled the church’s definition of mortal sin many times over and never repented as far as I know.

However during the proceedings, at one stage, he blurted out, “I always was doomed! I didn’t really have any choice!” I was an atheist at the time, but I managed to argue back saying "That can’t be right!’ (odd stance for an atheist - where did I get this concept of “rightness” from?). He replied, “Oh, it’s right, all right! You can see that from here!”

But later he admitted, “I was WILLING…!” (to act as he did). So whether he “always was doomed” or not, he admitted he was willing (I’d say very willing).

Now I can’t say I regarded him as a “loved one”. He’d been so relentlessly cruel and vindictive that by the time he died, I hated him. I wanted nothing to do with him.

But the question is that when I die myself, and if I eventually get to heaven, how will I perceive his eternal fate?

From my current mortal viewpoint, I have to admit I don’t know. But if what he said was correct, somehow we’ll know that it’s “right”, or if you like, just.

In the case of your son, there seems to be a mental issue. Not long after I became a Christian the eldest son of the pastor committed suicide. He had manic-depression (I think they call it borderline personality disorder these days). Now I don’t know how his (Protestant) family regarded his suicidal decision, but I personally think he’s in Purgatory, and not Hell. But that’s only my opinion.

The fact is that we won’t know until we die ourselves and these things are revealed to us.

You and I should meet for a beer some day. I gave that up years ago, but I sure would make an exception over a chat with you. You have shared some interesting experiences here, and also some sage advice.

All the best to you.