Do you ever?

[tweetymom]

I feel accepted by the CAF because they allow non-Catholics to be a part of this site. Now on the other hand, when you get into a discussion with some of the Catholic members and you happen to disagree with them, you are called anti-Catholic, ignorant, and other things. This is not said by all here and I have respect for the Catholic faith. We have been told to got to a non-Catholic site, what are you doing here. Now I understand that we are guests but that is no way to treat a guest.

Amen brother and God Bless

 

[JonNC]

Thanks, Jon. I think that’s the case, too, but I was adhering to the fourth of the current general guidelines for the Non–Catholic Religions forum that “Questions are a better approach than assertions.”

Cordially,
Mick

Yes, Mick, I agree with that guideline, as well. It is why I started my response with “I think…” lol, When I make an assertion about what others believe, I’m often wrong.

Jon

 

[Lutheranteach]

It’s a shame there has not been more movement on this over the years. Unfortunately, I see no choice but to have our son decline first communion which would take place in just a few weeks.

 

[Lutheranteach]

OK… but is that what happens?

If I say, I’m having Black and White movies and Lamb, but if you are going to come over and talk through the movies, and if you are going to fill up on pizzas before the Lamb is served, and I am offended by that, I won’t be inviting you

… then you fill up on pizzas and come in and begin to talk through the movies…

you are not welcome.

NOT because I don’t want you there, but your actions, your behavior all tell me that you really don’t want it.

Let’s get out of this muck called ‘analogy’

If a person is not Catholic, and as such, is not permitted to receive Catholic Eucharist, as this is a Sacrament from within the church, a keystone of the church, and you, a Non-Catholic, say, 'That’s not the Body and Blood of Christ. In my church, we eat the same thing, because it symbolizes the Body and Blood of Christ. I want to eat that Body and Blood of Christ… well, you are not welcome.

Be offended, you may be, but you would be seriously, way more than black and white movies and lamb seriously, offending me and our Mother Church.

That, however, doesn’t give any one the right or reason to say, ‘Oh, Crimey, a lousy Protestant!’

You may be able to talk the talk, but you aren’t living the life.

If you do not believe in the tenants expressed in the Nicene Creed enough for you to go through the conversion process to become a Baptised Catholic, you are insulting our faith to try to say that you ‘speak the language’ and ‘know the customs’, because my faith is not language or customs.

Nor do I want to “live the life.” What I am saying is that when I tell you I’m Lutheran, make no secret I’m a Lutheran, and tell you I’m happy to be a Lutheran don’t act like I’ve suddenly acted out of character when I respectfully tell you I disagree with something that is distinctly Catholic or feel it my right to point out when you say something about Lutherans that is just simply wrong. And while your faith (and anyone’s is) more than language and customs I know what one, as a Catholic, says and does and why one says and does it far more than the majority of Catholics I’ve met. I feel I owe that to my wife, inlaws, friends, etc. Rarely, however, have I ever been extended that same courtesy.

And once again, and listen very, very carefully: LUTHERANS DO NOT BELIEVE THE EUCHARIST IS MERELY SYMBOLIC.

 

[jmcrae]

What does the Catholic Church instruct about the Eucharist in the case of Orthodox Christians?

Curiously,
Mick

If they have no Orthodox church to go to, and if their Orthodox priest has given them permission, they may receive Holy Communion in a Catholic Church.

From the Catholic point of view, they are in full communion with us, but from their own point of view, they are not. (They consider us to be heretics in schism from them.) So, it is unlikely that an Orthodox Christian would voluntarily choose to receive Holy Communion in a Catholic Church, unless he or she were genuinely unaware of the teachings of their own faith.

Catholics are to respect the rules of any Orthodox Church they might happen to attend, and not receive Holy Communion with them unless they are specifically given permission by the presiding priest, and in that case, it would be only for that one time; it is not to be considered a “blanket permission” to receive any time they want to.

 

[jmcrae]

Nor do I want to “live the life.” What I am saying is that when I tell you I’m Lutheran, make no secret I’m a Lutheran, and tell you I’m happy to be a Lutheran don’t act like I’ve suddenly acted out of character when I respectfully tell you I disagree with something that is distinctly Catholic or feel it my right to point out when you say something about Lutherans that is just simply wrong. And while your faith (and anyone’s is) more than language and customs I know what one, as a Catholic, says and does and why one says and does it far more than the majority of Catholics I’ve met. I feel I owe that to my wife, inlaws, friends, etc. Rarely, however, have I ever been extended that same courtesy.

And once again, and listen very, very carefully: LUTHERANS DO NOT BELIEVE THE EUCHARIST IS MERELY SYMBOLIC.

That’s not really the point, and it does no good to dwell on that. To receive Holy Communion in a Catholic Church, one must have an actual membership in the Catholic Church.

How one gets to this point is by renouncing one’s heresies, making a Profession of Faith in the Catholic Church, making one’s First Confession, and receiving the Sacraments of Confirmation and First Holy Communion.

Once you have done these things, you may receive Holy Communion in any Catholic Church, providing you have fasted for one full hour, and don’t have any sins on your conscience that would need to be confessed to a priest in the Confessional.

Even if you know and believe absolutely everything that the Catholic Church teaches, you still need to go through this process, before you can start receiving Holy Communion in the Catholic Church.

 

[Nominefili]

I think it goes both ways. I know that growing up, I was told that everything about the Catholic church was evil, that they were idolaters and pagans and blah blah, all of which is false. At the same time, I know that there is a number of Catholics who blame Luther for the splitting apart of the Roman church and the subsequent plethora of denominations, particularly in the United States, and some priests do discuss Luther with their parishioners in a very negative light (by the same token, most Lutheran pastors do not hold a high opinion of the pope.)

I don’t expect a Catholic to tell me that ‘we’re in this together’, because we can both agree that we belong to different communions, but it is worth noting that we do share a baptism in the Triune name, confess the three ecumenical Creeds, believe in the Real Presence, and many other such doctrines. The idea that some have that ‘you’re either catholic or you’re hellbound’ (not saying that a majority hold that view but some that I have encountered do) is as offensive as it is unscriptural.

 

[Apryl]

And once again, and listen very, very carefully: LUTHERANS DO NOT BELIEVE THE EUCHARIST IS MERELY SYMBOLIC.

… That’s nice



I don’t get it: You are not Catholic. You do not claim to be Catholic. You know that the Catholic church has, as it’s fill in the blank with the appropriate, however, respectful word said that non-Catholics are not welcome to receive the Sacrament of the Eucharist.

So, why would you want to go up for Communion if it’s not something you are welcome to receive?

Especially if you see the Eucharist as MORE than something symbolic.

 

[shondrea]

Depends. I’ve met my fair share of Southern Baptists who have no qualms of telling me eeexactly where I’m going when I die, 100% guaranteed, because I am an evil and satanic Pagan.

Can’t say I feel the same about ANY protestant. I may think Protestantism is wrong, but I CERTAINLY don’t think they are any less devout, or love Jesus any less, or that their wish to serve him as best they know is any less sincere than mine, and i CERTAINLY don’t think a good, devout, and loving Protestant is damned to hell by default

There’s bad apples in BOTH church sides. Then there’s the rest of us, whi try

 

[Melquita]

… That’s nice



I don’t get it: You are not Catholic. You do not claim to be Catholic. You know that the Catholic church has, as it’s fill in the blank with the appropriate, however, respectful word said that non-Catholics are not welcome to receive the Sacrament of the Eucharist.

So, why would you want to go up for Communion if it’s not something you are welcome to receive?

Especially if you see the Eucharist as MORE than something symbolic.

He’s not talking about receiving the Eucharist in a Catholic church, he’s talking about receiving the Eucharist in a Lutheran church. Surely you wouldn’t tell him that he can’t do that because the Catholic Church forbids it?

 

[NeedImprovement]

He’s not talking about receiving the Eucharist in a Catholic church, he’s talking about receiving the Eucharist in a Lutheran church. Surely you wouldn’t tell him that he can’t do that because the Catholic Church forbids it?

I think perhaps the point might have been more along the lines that the Catholic Church teaches that once apostolic succession has been broken there can be no valid ordination -hence no valid minister to confect the Eucharist.

Just to add a little more perspective to what jmcrae is saying in post # 45 :

If one who hasn’t received the sacraments of initiation were to receive the Holy Eucharist, the Church says there would be no sacramental effect in the soul and body of that individual. It isn’t a case of anyone being better than anyone else.

I personally think JonNC presents some great points to ponder and would agree with him that it is indeed a shame we are not “all one” as Christ desired.

Surely everyone has a story they could tell about a sour taste left in their mouth by someone of another denomination ; I know I do. I’ve even had that experience from those of the same denomination as myself. At the same time, my best friend is a Baptist who moved up here from Nashville TN. So all things considered, I am still left wondering a little if the OP’s question isn’t slightly utopian in that it either dismisses or fails to take into account the constant barrage of crud that we as Catholics face daily in the media … Hello … reality check … real Catholics are in the trenches people …:blackeye:

This next comment is not meant to imply anyone is adhering to the particular error mentioned, but it may serve to keep us all well grounded when we consider, **QUAM SINGULARI **, the Decree of the Sacred Congregation of the Discipline of the Sacraments on First Communion ( 1910 ) , reminds us that it is originally a Jansenist error to believe that the most Holy Eucharist is a reward , rather than what it truly is - "… *a remedy for human frailty *…The Council of Trent, … calls the Eucharist, ‘An antidote whereby we may be freed from daily faults and be preserved from mortal sins.’ "

ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDWFIRST.htm

I’m frail … very, very, frail…

 

[Melquita]

I think perhaps the point might have been more along the lines that the Catholic Church teaches that once apostolic succession has been broken there can be no valid ordination -hence no valid minister to confect the Eucharist.

I don’t know what synod Lutheranteach belongs to, but at least the ELCA, as well as most Lutherans in Europe, have maintained valid apostolic succession (albeit not necessarily accepted as such by the Catholic Church).

 

[Dokimas]

Do any other non-Catholics ever feel they are far more accepting of Catholics than Catholics are of them.

Sometimes. However, there are many wonderfully caring catholics that really mean to be sisters and brothers with me. I truly am blessed by them.

 

[Apryl]

He’s not talking about receiving the Eucharist in a Catholic church, he’s talking about receiving the Eucharist in a Lutheran church. Surely you wouldn’t tell him that he can’t do that because the Catholic Church forbids it?

Um… maybe that’s what you want to talk about, but no, we have been discussing the reception of the Eucharist IN the Catholic church.

I know this because I pointed to the idea of receiving IN the Catholic Church, myself.

In answer to your question: no, I most certainly would not consider asking, suggesting or even saying that as a Lutheran, he should not receive the Eucharist in a Lutheran Church. Please do. It’s a wonderful thing. Esp since they believe in the presence of God in the Eucharist.