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In my Baptist Church… It is known that when you are saved, you let Christ in your heart. Now, it is also believed that you can’t lose the, I can’t think of the word, salvation or something. It can’t be undone. But what about people that get lost and sometimes even lose faith? That has always confused me. I hear that in Catholicism, it is believed that you can lose it. Why do they (the Baptists) believe in forever saved and can’t be undone?
 
From what I know they believe that if you have faith you will never lose it and if you lost your faith/salvation then you never had it to begin with. That is to the best of my knowledge what they believe. Take it with a grain of salt
 
There is a strain of Calivism that is prevelant behind a lot of Baptist teachings, even in the Baptist churches that do not consider themself Calvinist. One of the main ways this shows is in the prevelance of this “Once Saved, Always Saved” idea.

There are scripture verses that can be cited both for and against it, but it’s hard to use them to reason or debate with people who believe that their personal interpretation is the standared of truth and who pick the vereses that suit their position and explain away the rest.

One pattern I saw in the Baptist churches I grew up in was that many people put emphasis, and possibly more faith in their own prayer than in Christ. There was a big focus on walking down the aisle, raising a hand or praying with a pastor or church member, and making an outward profession of faith. Later on, people were either told to remember the “time and date” they were saved by that prayer or guilt-tripped and convinced they weren’t really saved the first (or fifth) time because they didn’t really mean it, so they had to pray the prayer again to be really saved. In their view, if you fell away, then you weren’t really saved to begin with.
 
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In my Baptist Church… It is known that when you are saved, you let Christ in your heart. Now, it is also believed that you can’t lose the, I can’t think of the word, salvation or something. It can’t be undone. But what about people that get lost and sometimes even lose faith? That has always confused me. I hear that in Catholicism, it is believed that you can lose it. Why do they (the Baptists) believe in forever saved and can’t be undone?
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Such misunderstandings happens when there is no legitimate authority to interpret Sacred Scripture in areas where great misunderstandings can take place.

Our spiritual life is a journey, and it is possible that we get sidetracked along the way and turn our backs to God through serious sin. But we also believe, of course, in the mercy of the Lord. If we repent and use the Sacrament of Reconciliation where the priest is a stand-in for our Lord, then we can receive absolution.
It is wonderful to hear the words of absolution that the priest speaks as Jesus’ words to us.
 
Check out apologist Steve Ray’s website (and you tube videos). He’s a convert to the Catholic faith from Baptist church and discusses much about the Baptist church and its beliefs.

Including the man-made doctrine of being saved by “accepting Jesus as your PERSONAL Lord and Savior”. And how they generally and openly criticize the CC for what they perceive as man-made doctrine. He’s got many insights into this!

catholic-convert.com/resources/writings/steve-rays/

And btw, my parents attend a Baptist church so I do have some experience in discussing this matter …charitably of course! 😉
 
from the meaning of the word FAITH you can loose it. in Jn 10:10 do you think faith is not among the things the devil can steal? when he sows doubt in your heart what is he trying to steal? the meaning of the word FAITH covers it all. “Faith is the
assurance of things hoped for, the
conviction of things not seen” (oh how I love the Catholic church)
 
I think it’s referred to a lot as once saved always saved. It makes sense that you CAN lose it. God never closes the door on you, but you have to come home in order for him to throw the party. Like the prodigal son!
 
“Once saved, always saved” is a man made doctrine based upon Martin Luther’s “Sola Fide”, or Faith Alone.
 
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Why not ask them? This is a Catholic message board. :confused:
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I have asked my Baptist friends, the problem is they say that whoever does not believe in the “Once saved, always saved” they think it is going against God’s teachings.

Also, if I were to say that on a Baptist forum board, I would probably get some negative comments. So that is why I posted here 😃
 
khmsct99 said:
In my Baptist Church… It is known that when you are saved, you let Christ in your heart. Now, it is also believed that you can’t lose the, I can’t think of the word, salvation or something. It can’t be undone. But what about people that get lost and sometimes even lose faith? That has always confused me. I hear that in Catholicism, it is believed that you can lose it. Why do they (the Baptists) believe in forever saved and can’t be undone?
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I think this is referred to as once save, always saved…or OSAS…and is taken from a few verses of Scripture and a theology built around it to come up with that underestanding, and ignoring the other verses that do not support it.

Examples below briefly:

Rom 11:

21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

or Heb 10:

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
 
I just want to point out that just because they believe it, doesn’t make it true. It isn’t true for them, it isn’t true for us.

I believe in the truth and fullness revealed fully by God in the Catholic Church.
 
St. Paul said to “work out your salvation with fear and trembling”. That doesn’t sound like a one and done deal.
 
True Salvation happens when one is judged by Christ and not before. Until then, we’re just working towards being worthy of salvation.
 
khmsct99 said:
In my Baptist Church… It is known that when you are saved, you let Christ in your heart. Now, it is also believed that you can’t lose the, I can’t think of the word, salvation or something. It can’t be undone. But what about people that get lost and sometimes even lose faith? That has always confused me. I hear that in Catholicism, it is believed that you can lose it. Why do they (the Baptists) believe in forever saved and can’t be undone?
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A Catholic does not “lose one’s faith” They walk away from it. It is a choice of one’s will.

God does not force people to love Him. Each one of us, at any time in our lives, has the freedom to choose to embrace God’s Grace or to reject God’s Grace.
 
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