Do you think it is MORALLY ACCEPTABLE for a Church to put it's name on a Poker Chip?

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Do you think it is MORALLY ACCEPTABLE for a Church to put it’s name on a Poker Chip?
 
where and how is the poker chip used… just like the parish name being on bingo cards… it hopefully deters people from walking off with church property…

Now if the chips can be used as legal tender down at the local tuk-a-buk bar, i would take issue…

if it is used for church functions on church property or church events then (I personally) do not have a problem… some might consider tasteless and i can respect that, but that’s a far cry from sin, or sacriledge…(in my view of course)… what do you think? 👍
 
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where and how is the poker chip used… just like the parish name being on bingo cards… it hopefully deters people from walking off with church property…

Now if the chips can be used as legal tender down at the local tuk-a-buk bar, i would take issue…

if it is used for church functions on church property or church events then (I personally) do not have a problem… some might consider tasteless and i can respect that, but that’s a far cry from sin, or sacriledge…(in my view of course)… what do you think? 👍
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It’s being used at a Church Function the same way the chips would be used in a Las Vegas Casino.
 
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It’s being used at a Church Function the same way the chips would be used in a Las Vegas Casino.
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if the profits go to the church and it’s legal within the municipality then i do not have an issue… i can only assume that someone supervises… but, i can see the cause for concern for some people and i can respect their concern… 👍
 
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apples and oranges my friend… one was a hijack, the other is a church labeling their property… 👍
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I think you are misinterpreting this. The chips were not labeled to protect property but rather to endorse the church instituting gambling at their facilities.

There is no need to label a chip worth less than a penny (in manufacturing costs).
 
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I think you are misinterpreting this. The chips were not labeled to protect property but rather to endorse the church instituting gambling at their facilities.

There is no need to label a chip worth less than a penny (in manufacturing costs).
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I would guess it is more likely done to prevent people from bringing chips bought off the premises and cashing them in – ie to prevent theft.

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I can’t see myself EVER going to a church function where there was drinking, poker playing & gambling. I certainly wouldn’t take my children to see such a thing. For me it falls outside of the catagory of Godly Christian things to do. Although I don’t have any addicition issues, I would not want to cause anyone else to stumble and since so many people do struggle with alcoholism & gambling and it literally tears families apart, why take the chance?
 
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I would guess it is more likely done to prevent people from bringing chips bought off the premises and cashing them in – ie to prevent theft.

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You can label the chips with any type of code. It should not be the name of your church.
 
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You can label the chips with any type of code. It should not be the name of your church.
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True enough. But a *name * is so much easier to remember and identify, don’t you think?

I have yet to see a reason (rather than opinion) offered why the name ought not be used.

Parishes often label property with their names. Say, folding chairs, used at parish social events, and sometimes lent or rented to other individuals or parishes. Doesn’t it make more sense for these items to be labelled “ST PAUL, SPRINGFIELD” rather than a code like “4783-BOJTUN” ? Isn’t the former much more likely to prevent the chairs being misplaced?

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True enough. But a *name *is so much easier to remember and identify, don’t you think?

I have yet to see a reason (rather than opinion) offered why the name ought not be used.

Parishes often label property with their names. Say, folding chairs, used at parish social events, and sometimes lent or rented to other individuals or parishes. Doesn’t it make more sense for these items to be labelled “ST PAUL, SPRINGFIELD” rather than a code like “4783-BOJTUN” ? Isn’t the former much more likely to prevent the chairs being misplaced?

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Yes but putting the churches name on a poker chip is like saying “the church endorses gambling”. There’s a difference here.
 
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Yes but putting the churches name on a poker chip is like saying “the church endorses gambling”. There’s a difference here.
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I disagree. Putting the parish’s name on the chip is like saying "this token is useful at St Caesar’s, but not at Our Lady of the Sands’ [and more importantly: don’t *even try to bring someone else’s token to cash in here] "

The fact that a parish uses games of chance as a fund-raiser is a *de facto * endorsement of gambling. And as others have been explaining on other threads, there is nothing necessarily morally wrong in that.

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I disagree. Putting the parish’s name on the chip is like saying "this token is useful at St Caesar’s, but not at Our Lady of the Sands’ [and more importantly: don’t *even try to bring someone else’s token to cash in here]
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The fact that a parish uses games of chance as a fund-raiser is a *de facto *endorsement of gambling. And as others have been explaining on other threads, there is nothing necessarily morally wrong in that.

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We will have to agree to disagree.
 
One could also see the parish name on the chip as a means of keeping people’s less-desirable tendencies in check. If I starting to get caught up in the gambling itself, I could just look down at my chips and say, “Oh, wait a minute, I’m at church! Let’s keep some perspective!”

The risk of scandal is a serious one, but only the pastor, parishoners, and organizers of the event are in a position to really evaluate that - and I’d wager that no single one of those people has the total picture.
 
Bingo and Monte Carlo events are common. Bingo cards have serial numbers at our council to ensure noone brought in another organizations cards. It would be the same thing with the chips. If someone could buy a set of generic chips for $50 and then try and turn them in for a couple hundred, I’m sure that some people would try.
 
I feel that the whole idea from its conception is not correct. The Church in its financial need turns to something that raises an improper desire in the human heart. It gives an inordinate amount of attention to money and gambling. Like it or not poker chips are synonomous with gambling. On the once off for most folks it seems harmless. We must remember, however, that there are people who have problems with, and addiction to, gambling. There are people out there who battle against the deisre to win on a daily basis. I feel this gives them a false sense of reasoning that its OK now because it is for the Church. It might have the effect in the worst possible case scenario of driving a person back into regular gambling.
Now because the Church realises that people will part with money easily under this guise they make it acceptable as long as it is for Church concerns. I have a problem with that. It shows a huge lack of creativity and certainly shows little regard of the words of Christ “Give to Ceaser what is Ceaser’s and give to God what is Gods”

Just my :twocents: !!

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People also have problems with drinking - no more beer tents at picnics/carnivals

people have a problem with over-eating - rationing at picnics and bar-b-ques “I’m sorry sir you cannot buy another half chicken.”

At what point should the regulating of behavior stop?
 
there is a moral issue here but it is not gambling, it is tithing. I would not allow the parishioners to bail on their responsibility to support the local church and its ministries by using any form of gambling or fundraising. a fair or jamaica as a community-building event is one thing, but not to raise money for operating expenses. until the parish demonstrates obedience to the law of the church to contribute to its support, I would start cutting services, starting with A/C and heat, last thing to go should be St. Vincent and charitable outreaches.

gambling itself is morally neutral. the trouble with gambling to fund churches (or governments) is that it takes the burden of support off those to whom it belongs - parishioners, or taxpayers - and places it unfairly on the backs of the the poor, who statistically are much more likely to gamble on parish bingo and state lotteries. this is a grave sin against the virtue of justice.
 
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