Do you think there is a difference in addressing america as a christian nation between trump and Obama?

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Do you think there is a difference in addressing American as a christian nation between trump and Obama?
 
Well, considering Obama flat out stated (rather proudly) that the USA was NO LONGER a Christian nation, yeah, I’d say so.
 
guanophore said:
Obama is right, we are no longer a Christian nation.
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no, he is wrong. we never were, per the treaty below.
Treaty Between the United States and Tripoli (1796)

Article 11.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, —
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upant said:
reaty Between the United States and Tripoli (1796)

Article 11.

As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,
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This is a good point, but I think it would be difficult to negate the clearly Christian underpinnings of our Nation’s development. It is true, it was not intended to be :founded on the Christian Religion", or any religion. The Pilgrims came here to escape from Nations whose government was inextricably entertwined with the Christian religion.

The difference is that the vast majority of the popluation in those days embraced Christian values, where as now, not anymore.
 
Which of those values are specifically and exclusively Christian?
 
Shakuhachi said:
Which of those values are specifically and exclusively Christian?
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To my knowledge, none of them.

The country happened to be settled by persons whose values were exclusively Christian, so the foundations of it were infused with values from that perspective.
 
The USA does not have a National religion, so the question is poorly worded.
 
Obama was right in that we no longer are the Christian nation we may have been, but neither does Trump, himself, bring us a step closer to what it used to be…so the difference is negligible.

Changing the religious character of this country will never be driven my one office holder, but only by an honest and continuing conversion of our citizens.

It rises or falls in us, individually, not in past, present, or future Presidents
 
guanophore said:
The difference is that the vast majority of the popluation in those days embraced Christian values, where as now, not anymore.
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you are correct.

yet, many of the founders were deist.

without the deist, would we have left the mother country?
 
upant said:
, many of the founders were deist.

without the deist, would we have left the mother country?
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It is a good question. I find it ironic that the Puritans arriving here to escape Anglicanism perpetrated the same rules upon others that had been imposed upon them. They wanted freedom of religion for themselves, but no one else! They were very disgusted when some non-Puritan passengers were permitted in the ships and colonies.
 
No, Obama apologized for arrogance, and took responsibility for less than perfect behavior.


It does not take away from “greatness” to exercise humility. In fact, those who are great can afford to be humble. Arrogance is not a helpful attitude for world relations. One can be powerful without being arrogant.

There is a big difference between “apologizing for America” and apologizing for bad policies and practices.
 
guanophore said:
I find it ironic that the Puritans arriving here to escape Anglicanism perpetrated the same rules upon others that had been imposed upon them. They wanted freedom of religion for themselves, but no one else!
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That’s not ironic, that’s just human nature.
 
Thanks for sharing.
Trump has to put up with the never ending critics. And real hate.
So family is important. And the idea of

God bless america. Prayer is real.!
 
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