Do you think we would be offended or surprised by any of the apostles?

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Just a hypothetical.

I Had a random thought one day of what we would find if we had extant writings from Sts. like St. Peter, St. Paul, etc. etc.

For instance, I know that there are many people who like to use the writings, journals, sermons, etc. of Mormon presidents Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc. to defame them and/or criticize the LDS Church.

Do you think we would find similar inflamatory and/or mind-bending writings, comments, ideas, etc. in the writings/journals/sermons of Catholic saints if the same documents were available to the eyes of history?
 
dnu said:
Just a hypothetical.

Do you think we would find similar inflamatory and/or mind-bending writings, comments, ideas, etc. in the writings/journals/sermons of Catholic saints if the same documents were available to the eyes of history?
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Curious question 🙂
I’m unsure if you’re talking about just the apostles or also the early church saints.
In context of the apostles and the dawn of Christianity I don’t think they’d write inflammatory because the apostles knew the truth of the gospel and were careful with it, fearing the wrath of God and not wanting to lead anyone astray. No matter what they write it would be written with clean conscience.

I’m not even sure what to make of the *gnostic gospels *but have heard they’re unreliable.
 
I was recently thinking about the same subject. I was wondering - were the early apostles and saints nice guys? Could I go up to them and have a good conversation? Would they say something that would tick me off? Would they be arrogant or kind? Would I meet them and later say to myself - “Uh, he’s a saint or apostle? You got to be kidding!”
 
TikiTokiguy said:
I was recently thinking about the same subject. I was wondering - were the early apostles and saints nice guys? Could I go up to them and have a good conversation? Would they say something that would tick me off? Would they be arrogant or kind? Would I meet them and later say to myself - “Uh, he’s a saint or apostle? You got to be kidding!”
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I suspect they would be HUMAN. Because that is, in fact, what they were. Which means they would, most likely, be both funny and stern, and lots of other things too, just at different times.

Just as Jesus showed us how He could display the full range of human behavior (just not human frailty!) I suspect that His Apostles would also be a rainbow of personalities. They were HUMAN BEINGS. They were just like us, and had, as they say, “warts and all”. But when they spoke about Faith, they spoke with the power of the Holy Spirit.

Of course “after hours” ~ meaning when they were not speaking of the Faith ~ they were human beings, just like you and me. Or as my Dad used to say “they take their shorts off just like I do, one leg at a time”. They were just people.

So you have just as good a chance of chatting up an Apostle and finding a friend as you have chatting up ANYONE. At least that’s what I think!
 
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I bet Simon the Zealot had some stories to tell 😃
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“Listen, all ye Britons! Marriage is indissoluble. Unless, of course, thou art the King of all Britannia. If thy wife bears thee no male heir, it is wholly good that thou shouldst divorce her to marry another. Although my friend Peter has been given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and he may give thee the dispensation to marry her in the first place, he cannot do otherwise than give thee the dispensation for divorce! If he should violate his obligations, thy parliament may then declare the King the head of the Catholic Church. Such is the teaching which I have received from Christ to give to thee.” - St. Simon the Zealot’s sermon to the Britons.
 
WetCatechumen said:
“Listen, all ye Britons! Marriage is indissoluble. Unless, of course, thou art the King of all Britannia. If thy wife bears thee no male heir, it is wholly good that thou shouldst divorce her to marry another. Although my friend Peter has been given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and he may give thee the dispensation to marry her in the first place, he cannot do otherwise than give thee the dispensation for divorce! If he should violate his obligations, thy parliament may then declare the King the head of the Catholic Church. Such is the teaching which I have received from Christ to give to thee.” - St. Simon the Zealot’s sermon to the Britons.
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Well played 😃
 
WetCatechumen said:
“Listen, all ye Britons! Marriage is indissoluble. Unless, of course, thou art the King of all Britannia. If thy wife bears thee no male heir, it is wholly good that thou shouldst divorce her to marry another. Although my friend Peter has been given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and he may give thee the dispensation to marry her in the first place, he cannot do otherwise than give thee the dispensation for divorce! If he should violate his obligations, thy parliament may then declare the King the head of the Catholic Church. Such is the teaching which I have received from Christ to give to thee.” - St. Simon the Zealot’s sermon to the Britons.
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King Henry VIII of England was the one that obtained the title “Defender of the Faith” which English Monarchs have claimed since his time regardless of other changes in the Faith. The current monarch Elizabeth II still retains the title! And we’re just WAITING to see what her heir will do!

Looks like Henry VIII would love this bit!

But it doesn’t really square with reality, does it? So what is this all about?
 
I also would like to talk to James the son of Alphaeus and Judas the son of James (Thaddeus). It would help clear up some identity questions once and for all haha
 
dnu said:
Just a hypothetical.

I Had a random thought one day of what we would find if we had extant writings from Sts. like St. Peter, St. Paul, etc. etc.

For instance, I know that there are many people who like to use the writings, journals, sermons, etc. of Mormon presidents Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc. to defame them and/or criticize the LDS Church.

Do you think we would find similar inflamatory and/or mind-bending writings, comments, ideas, etc. in the writings/journals/sermons of Catholic saints if the same documents were available to the eyes of history?
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I don’t think so. For one thing, our faith isn’t quite as personality-driven as Mormonism. Or at least, if it is, the personality around which it is centred is that of Christ rather than any of the Apostles.

The scriptures we have show them as being all too human, stuffing things up sometimes on a personal level (like Peter refusing to eat with Gentiles), but nonetheless given all authority in their official teaching by Christ (as showin the Council of Jerusalem).
 
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