Does any one know a website that shows the Latin mass daily?

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I study Latin I and I understand the gist or more of Latin prayers. I don’t understand people’s drive for the Latin mass especial for some who I assume don’t know Latin since they just memorize. I was hoping that watching a Latin Mass in real time (like Ash Wednesday mass on Ash Wednesday and not something 2 years old)

I also like to know if any one knows a website for the mass in spanish. Not a translation like on ewtn but when it is really spoken.
 
I’m not sure if they show it daily, or if the website “streams” the Mass… but you might want to look at the EWTN site . The Mass from Our Lady of the Angels is often said, with Latin. And perhaps, you can get some “streaming” from the Vatican. Not sure. But I hope it helps. God bless.

ewtn.com/
 
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I study Latin I and I understand the gist or more of Latin prayers.** I don’t understand people’s drive for the Latin mass especial for some who I assume don’t know Latin since they just memorize.** I was hoping that watching a Latin Mass in real time (like Ash Wednesday mass on Ash Wednesday and not something 2 years old)

I also like to know if any one knows a website for the mass in spanish. Not a translation like on ewtn but when it is really spoken.
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I only know of YouTube.

But allow me to address the highlighted passage from your OP:

Our appreciation for the Latin Mass has nothing to do with our earthly understanding of Latin.

There are three primary reasons we use Latin:

First, Church uses Latin ESPECIALLY because it is a dead language. That is, its meanings don’t change. The meanings of words uttered by priests during Masses in 1900 mean the same as those uttered in Masses in 2009.

Second, we use our normal vernaculars every day- that’s why they’re “vernaculars.” We use these languages for everything- they’re profane. I don’t mean “profane” in the pejorative sense, but in the sense in which it means “not holy” or “secular.”

We reserve a particular language especially for worshipping God, a language apart from our normal profane language.

Third, the use of Latin ensures that Mass is the same in France as it is in Japan, the same in Canada as it is in China. This continuity is important.

I hope that helps you better understand why the Church uses Latin.
 
Thanks!, but Sancto Spiritu (Holy Spirit). I do understand the respect for latin but I don’t understand people’s willingness to go back to Latin or put Latin over that of the vulga. Jesus himself took much of his time talking to the people from all walks of life (protestutes, tax collector, etc.). Jesus even used the vulga of his day. Jesus speaking parables and preaching to the people of Judea in three different languages.

Greek; the lingua franca or business language
Hebrew; The language of the scriptures and many religious prayers
Aramaic; the language of the every day slang

So if Christ went so far in his language reaching to us shouldn’t we do the same today? We should respect Latin but at the same give equal respect to the spreading of the faith and its practice in other languages.

So my question is, mite it be better for the Mass to be in the vulga so that the foundation of our faith be well understood and strong? Can we agree that the first priority is to understand the core of the faith and not compromise that for our respect of Latin?
 
Sancto_Spiritu said:
There are three primary reasons we use Latin:

First, Church uses Latin ESPECIALLY because it is a dead language. That is, its meanings don’t change. The meanings of words uttered by priests during Masses in 1900 mean the same as those uttered in Masses in 2009.

Second, we use our normal vernaculars every day- that’s why they’re “vernaculars.” We use these languages for everything- they’re profane. I don’t mean “profane” in the pejorative sense, but in the sense in which it means “not holy” or “secular.”

We reserve a particular language especially for worshipping God, a language apart from our normal profane language.

Third, the use of Latin ensures that Mass is the same in France as it is in Japan, the same in Canada as it is in China. This continuity is important.

I hope that helps you better understand why the Church uses Latin.
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Nothing against Latin, but…wasn’t Latin itself a “vernacular” language used in the Church in Rome during the first centuries of the Church up to medieval times? I’m afraid people used Latin in the liturgy back then because that is what they spoke. If Latin was continued to be used after it became “dead”, then it would be for the reasons you mentioned in your post (ie. Church unity, continuity). Perhaps it is unique to our age to be able to reserve Latin for worshiping God. But for the early Roman church, I don’t think this was the reason they used it in their liturgy.

Like I said, I for one have nothing against using Latin in the liturgy. In fact, I completely welcome it. As I’ve posted on these forums before, I pray the post-Vatican II LOTH completely in Latin. But that is only because I took the effort to thoroughly study the language in order that I be able to understand the liturgy. By understanding what it is that I’m praying, I am able to offer to God worship straight from the heart and mind rather than mere pronounced words. Otherwise, I wouldn’t get any spiritual nourishment from the liturgy by reciting in Latin and not knowing it.
 
I’m not an expert on the history of Latin’s usage in the Mass, but I’d imagine that you’re on track there.

Lead Me Home:

You seem to be under the impression that the Church keeps the text of the Mass secret or that the common man cannot understand the EF Mass or the OF Mass when said in Latin.

I’m happy to report that this is a mistaken belief. Happily, the Mass is understandable by all. How is this possible?

Well, fortunately, the Mass IS in the vernacular (vulga, as you called it). All you need to do is get a missal. A missal is a booklet containing the text of the Mass, an explanation of the Mass, and sometimes certain prayers that are good to say before, during, and after Mass.

A missal has the Latin text of the Mass on the left page and its vernacular translation on the right page. They also contain handy directions that tell those unfamiliar with the Mass when to kneel, sit, stand, etc. It also tells you what the priest is doing and why he is doing it.

These missals can take the form of small booklets that are distributed before most EF Masses (at least the ones in my area), or you can purchase one online at a very reasonable price.

This is the average, inexpensive missal that I began with when i first started attending the EF.

aquinasandmore.com/index.cfm/title/Latin-English-Tridentine-Booklet-Missal/FuseAction/store.ItemDetails/SKU/19262/

Luckily, I recently found my late grandmother’s “Blessed Be God” missal from 1925, and I now use that! 🙂
 
When I first started attending the Tridentine Mass, I wondered if saying it in the venacular would be a good idea. Perhaps as an introductory period in order to ease most post-Vatican II people back into it that would have some merit. However, it would also force the Tridentine Mass priest to learn all those prayers in English; they are busy enough as it is.

The four marks of the Church are one, holy Catholic and apostolic. The Tridentine Mass is the best display of those fundamentals. The Novus Ordus in the venacular with all the options and abuses is not a universal Mass. The Tridentine Mass has been kept in tact since the sixth century. The NO was formed by committee led by Bugnini and launched in 1969. Having a specific date and person in contrast to something passed along for centuries is more Protestant than Catholic.

In the Tridentine Mass days you could enter a Catholic church anywhere in the world and attend the same Mass as back home. When Jesus started the Church it wasn’t global so there wasn’t a need to choose a universal language. The Church is founded on the Scripture and Tradition, the language of tradition is Latin.

The venacular, facing the people, Eucharist as a meal rather than sacrifice, options and deviations, are all marks of Protestantism. The Latin Mass is a prayer from start to finish. Missals are affordable and readily accessible or some people choose to say the rosary. It took me some time to fully appreciate this (being a post-V2 Catholic) but the Tridentine Mass is our true heritage and common bond between us.
 
Sancto_Spiritu said:
Our appreciation for the Latin Mass has nothing to do with our earthly understanding of Latin.
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Based on the above quote, I sort of got the impression that people who prefer Latin in the mass (regardless if EF or OF) do not necessarily understand the language on its own. But now that you clarify that many missals also include a vernacular translation it now makes sense to me.

The Latin LOTH is purely in Latin so I had no choice but to learn the language if I wanted to pray from it. I’ve got no regrets, however. I’m glad I did it.
 
I study Latin I and I understand the gist or more of Latin prayers. I don’t understand people’s drive for the Latin mass especial for some who I assume don’t know Latin since they just memorize.
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Hmmm, what a nice, open, receptive way to begin a thread…Since you are so studious, try reading adoremus.org/VeterumSapientia.html
 
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