Does anybody else view these bodies as potential torture chambers?

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I cannot honestly say that these bodies do not contain a good degree of evil, but I believe that our bodies are good in the sense that they allow the necessary purification for salvation. But I also feel that my soul is a prisoner in this earthly body.

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Our bodies are the temple of God. I would not say they are torture chambers, but we do suffer through them and can offer these sufferings to God for our and others salvation. Our suffering is a means of purification.
 
I do not dwell on the idea of a separate body and soul. I am just me, body and soul. As far as my body being a “torture chamber”, I would not use such a dramatic term, though I understand how some might. But I must be honest, I am getting old and I have many aches and pains, some chronic, some passing. I fear that these will increase and get worse. I fear my eventual physical decline, losing my sense of independence, being in any sort of physical agony. Like any fear, I can be positive or negative in how I handle it. I hope and pray my faith remains strong if and when I am put to the test.
 
Our human body is not a torture chamber, it is the life-holder for our souls.

It’s vulnerability makes “torture” possible; but in itself, body provides our psyche with all of its sensations.

ICXC NIKA.
 
I do not dwell on the idea of a separate body and soul. I am just me, body and soul.
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Or as I say, a thinking body; a breathing soul.

In Heaven, our beings will again be fully united and we won’t even theoretically separate them; we will think with our bodies, and move and breathe with our psyche, **as we do now, ** only perfectly and for ever.

ICXC NIKA.
 
I am wondering if is logically possible to experience an objective reality and build knowledge without a body so to me it is necessity.
 
Bahman said:
I am wondering if is logically possible to experience an objective reality and build knowledge without a body so to me it is necessity.
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It’s not possible for you. Your mind needs a head to live in, as does everybody’s.

Conversely, God, who is pure intellect (apart from our human LORD Jesus Christ), has all of being inside His mind, so one could say that for God everything is “subjective.”

Without a body to experience and live life, but still possessing a mind somehow, everything would be subjective.

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GEddie said:
It’s not possible for you. Your mind needs a head to live in, as does everybody’s.

Conversely, God, who is pure intellect (apart from our human LORD Jesus Christ), has all of being inside His mind, so one could say that for God everything is “subjective.”

Without a body to experience and live life, but still possessing a mind somehow, everything would be subjective.

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There are couple issues here:
  1. Does God aware of what is in his mind? If it is so then it means that his mind should be objective to his mind.
  2. How God could be aware of our existence if we, including our minds, are not objective to him? Existence need objectivity then subjectivity could be induced from it unless otherwise one has to claim that objectivity is pure illusion yet it is needed to deduce subjectivity and induce truth.
  3. How God could have a human body and live in pure subjective world?
 
Robert_Sock said:
I cannot honestly say that these bodies do not contain a good degree of evil, but I believe that our bodies are good in the sense that they allow the necessary purification for salvation. But I also feel that my soul is a prisoner in this earthly body.

LOVE! ❤️
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Divine healing was made available by Jesus,…he told apostles to heal people, however, this is lost to most of the churches today,…very few people believe to heal others, and even fewer still seek the anointing to heal people’s bodies. Jesus instructed the apostles
and us following them to ‘heal the sick’. It is job 101 for followers of Christ, yet how often or where do we see this, not very often.

I have had a couple divine healing miracles in my body. I followed steps from a bible teacher, and received healing as a result.
 
Robert_Sock said:
I cannot honestly say that these bodies do not contain a good degree of evil, but I believe that our bodies are good in the sense that they allow the necessary purification for salvation. But I also feel that my soul is a prisoner in this earthly body.
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The body is not evil at all, as Jesus pointed out:
For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come–sexual immorality, theft, murder,
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Mark 7:21

It is our soul that requires purification and we can suffer solely by being overwhelmed by a sense of shame, guilt, infidelity, ingratitude, unworthiness and isolation from God. Mental agony is far more devastating than physical pain and it drives people to commit suicide.

It is not the soul that is a prisoner but a mind which regards the body as a torture chamber instead of a temple of the Holy Spirit glorified by Christ’s Resurrection. To despise the body is to reject God’s wisdom and incomparable gift of joy and delight in the richness and variety of nature. I can assure you from direct experience at this very moment that when one of our senses fails to function properly we appreciate its immense value and realise that it is a source of freedom not slavery.
 
If you detest what the world has become and feel totally alien in it, then yes, the body is a torture chamber.

Best wishes,
Padster
 
tonyrey said:
The body is not evil at all, as Jesus pointed out:

Mark 7:21

It is our soul that requires purification and we can suffer solely by being overwhelmed by a sense of shame, guilt, infidelity, ingratitude, unworthiness and isolation from God. Mental agony is far more devastating than physical pain and it drives people to commit suicide.

It is not the soul that is a prisoner but a mind which regards the body as a torture chamber instead of a temple of the Holy Spirit glorified by Christ’s Resurrection. To despise the body is to reject God’s wisdom and incomparable gift of joy and delight in the richness and variety of nature. I can assure you from direct experience at this very moment that when one of our senses fails to function properly we appreciate its immense value and realise that it is a source of freedom not slavery.
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Thanks!!!

As for me, my body became a Temple for the Holy Spirit after it had become torture chamber. Reading about terrible car accidents where people are left in a state of extreme suffering, all I can do is pray that it never happens to us. Life can turn into a living hell on a moment’s instance. I doubt that anybody can deny that such a state of existence is possible, and I wonder how people would respond to my post if in such a state. God forbid, but if you were in such a state, would you not recognize that you were a prisoner within your body and want to escape it, regardless of whether or not you believed your body was a Temple of the Holy Spirit? I sure would!!! Would you not then admit that your body was evil (depending on your own definition of ‘evil,’ of course)?

LOVE! ❤️
 
Robert_Sock said:
I cannot honestly say that these bodies do not contain a good degree of evil, but I believe that our bodies are good in the sense that they allow the necessary purification for salvation. But I also feel that my soul is a prisoner in this earthly body.

LOVE! ❤️
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Robert I understand what you mean.

For me, my body is a cage and is a burden.
 
Marie5890 said:
Robert I understand what you mean.

For me, my body is a cage and is a burden.
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Thanks!

I think that many mystics, like Thomas a Kempis, felt the same way.

Alas, what a life is this, where trials and sorrows never cease, and where all things are full of snares and foes! For when one trial or temptation departs, another takes its place; and even while the conflict rages, other troubles arise, innumerable and unexpected.

How can we love life, when it holds so much bitterness, and is subject to so many sorrows and calamities? How, indeed, can that be called life, which breeds death and pain in such full measure?
-The Imitation of Christ, Book 3, Chapter 20
 
GEddie said:
My condolences that you feel so.

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No, it’s not how I “feel”. It’s not about “feelings”. It’s about being intellectually honest with our thoughts.

Im not one who relates to “feelings”, but rather “thoughts of intellect” 🙂

Hey in a broke world diseases and disabilities ravage many of our bodies.

I guess I dont see condolences nearly important as much as people at least being open and honest that, unless they have lived a life time in a disable or diseased body, they dont really get what it’s like…

And I am not talking about intellect approach to our practical realities. Im talking about the day to day practical realities of bodies that simply do not work the way God designed them to.

Some people’s bodies really do betray them. It’s honest
 
Marie5890 said:
No, it’s not how I “feel”. It’s not about “feelings”. It’s about being intellectually honest with our thoughts.

Im not one who relates to “feelings”, but rather “thoughts of intellect” 🙂

Hey in a broke world diseases and disabilities ravage many of our bodies.

I guess I dont see condolences nearly important as much as people at least being open and honest that, unless they have lived a life time in a disable or diseased body, they dont really get what it’s like…

And I am not talking about intellect approach to our practical realities. Im talking about the day to day practical realities of bodies that simply do not work the way God designed them to.

Some people’s bodies really do betray them. It’s honest
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I am with you, even though we come at it from different directions. People who have never experienced chronic pain and the like really have no idea what it is all about. For many, it is a great challenge to keep going at all. As you put it, their bodies have betrayed them.

John
 
I have both.

My Old Spice shampoo and conditioner give my hair body, and Diana Ross gives my feet soul.
 
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