Does anybody here read Greek?

[adstrinity]

If so, could you transliterate?

I am interested in John 1:14, “And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.”

Luke 1:28, “And coming to her, he said, ‘Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.’”

And Acts 6:8, “Now Stephen, filled with grace and power, was working great wonders and signs among the people.”

Correspondingly, they read in Greek,

Jn: kai o logoV sarx egeneto kai eskhnwsen en hmin, kai eqeasameqa thn doxan autou, doxan wV monogenouV para patroV, plhrhV caritoV kai alhqeiaV.

Lk: kai eiselqwn proV authn eipen, caire, kecaritwmenh, o kurioV meta sou.

Acts: stefanoV de plhrhV caritoV kai dunamewV epoiei terata kai shmeia megala en tw law.

Is the word/tense whatever else may be important for, “full of grace” the same in these verses? Using Latin characters, how are the words transliterated? All the English translations come from the NAB Bible.

Thank you to whom may answer this.

 

[Pete_Holter]

If so, could you transliterate?

I am interested in John 1:14, “And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son, full of grace and truth.”

Luke 1:28, “And coming to her, he said, ‘Hail, favored one! The Lord is with you.’”

And Acts 6:8, “Now Stephen, filled with grace and power, was working great wonders and signs among the people.”

Correspondingly, they read in Greek,

Jn: kai o logoV sarx egeneto kai eskhnwsen en hmin, kai eqeasameqa thn doxan autou, doxan wV monogenouV para patroV, plhrhV caritoV kai alhqeiaV.

Lk: kai eiselqwn proV authn eipen, caire, kecaritwmenh, o kurioV meta sou.

Acts: stefanoV de plhrhV caritoV kai dunamewV epoiei terata kai shmeia megala en tw law.

Is the word/tense whatever else may be important for, “full of grace” the same in these verses? Using Latin characters, how are the words transliterated? All the English translations come from the NAB Bible.

Thank you to whom may answer this.

Good evening adstrinity!

Here are the words of interest:

Jn: plhrhV caritoV

Acts: plhrhV caritoV

Lk: kecaritwmenh

The words used in John and Acts are the same. Depending on your Greek instructor, you could render the words in John and Acts phonetically as “play-rayss cah-rih-tahss”. You could translate the first word from John and Acts as “full” and the second word as “of grace”.

The word used for Mary is different, but it is also related to the word for “grace”.

Phonetically: “keh-cah-rih-toe-meh-nay”.

Because of the verb tense, it could be translated as “one who has received grace in the past with the effects of this grace continuing into the present.” The word used of Mary does not itself denote that this grace is “full” either in duration or in measure, but neither does it rule this out. And, of course, the Catholic Church has infallibly declared that this grace is indeed full in measure and was bestowed upon Mary at the first moment of her conception.

Others may come behind me and correct what I have said or add to it so please pay attention to them.

Here is an on-line Greek interlinear New Testament for you:

scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm

May God bless you!

Love,
Pete

 

[MarcoPolo]

Apologist Dave Armstrong treats the Greek of Luke 1:28 and Acts 6:8 at his website here.

Catholic Answers Director of Apologetics Jimmy Akin, who has also studied Greek, treats all three verses here.

 

[Sarris]

Jn: kai o logoV sarx egeneto kai eskhnwsen en hmin, kai eqeasameqa thn doxan autou, doxan wV monogenouV para patroV, plhrhV caritoV kai alhqeiaV.

Lk: kai eiselqwn proV authn eipen, caire, kecaritwmenh, o kurioV meta sou.
Acts: stefanoV de plhrhV caritoV kai dunamewV epoiei terata kai shmeia megala en tw law.

Is the word/tense whatever else may be important for, “full of grace” the same in these verses? Using Latin characters, how are the words transliterated? All the English translations come from the NAB Bible.

Note that I apologize for massacring this quote; I wanted to Isolate the Greek.

John: και ο λογο | σαρξ εγενετο και εσκηνωσεν εν ημιν, και εθεασαμεθα την δοξαν αυτου, δοξαν ω | μονογενου | παρα πατρο | , πληρη | χαριτο | και αλθεια
Luke- και εισελθων προ | αυτην ειπεν, χαίρε, κεχαριτομένη, ο Κύριο | μετά Σου.
Acts: Στεφανο | δε πληρη | χαριτο | και δυναμεω | εποιει τερατα και σημεια μεγαλα εν τω λαω

It looks like they used the MS word symbolic font, so I transliterated as thus which may seem illogical

Eng - Grk
x Ξ, ξ
h Η, η
c Χ, χ
q Θ, θ
w Ω, ω
d Δ, δ

Upper then lower case. I also omitted any polytonic or monotonic markings, except for the part where it was undeniably the Hail Mary.

At no point did I make a ‘kh’ Χχ because it seemed to not fit (this convention is used, such as in the word Akhaia)

My Koine Greek is not sharp at all, but it has been made a point of interest that κεχαριτομένη is in some form of a perfect tense, as opposed to imperfect, but I do not consider myself reputable on such a matter.

Also, if you want to type Greek very quickly all you have to do (if you use windows) is go to the control panel, go to regional and language setting, language tab, details button, select and confirm. Greek comes on nearly all computers with this IME because the characters are simple and simple imput (as opposed to asian characters which are multiple (name removed by moderator)ut in most cases).

I hope I helped.

 

[Michael_G]

Good evening adstrinity!

scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm

May God bless you!

Love,
Pete

Yes the above site is an excellent resource, it also has a downloadable Greek English and Hebrew English interlinear.

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[scapularkid8]

I can read Greek letters, but I don’t speak it and you posted a transliteration so I’m afraid the only service I could have provided is irrelevant! Haha, oh well

 

[COPLAND_3]

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This will give you access to a few parsing tools, lexicons, interlinears, Greek Bible words searches, etc.