Does anyone here deny the mind-brain relationship?

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Hi, forgive me for reintroducing a probably well worn topic, but I am a complete noob here.

My personal take on the issue is that there is an intimate relationship between brain and cognition. PET scans and modern science have not disclosed the ultimate nature of consciousness (cf. especially the “hard problem” of consciousness), but there is no disputing the links between brain some areas and cognitive functions, or some horemone levels and moods etc.

For me, religious matters of the soul are adduced pretty much “sola fides” or by faith alone.
 
Hi, forgive me for reintroducing a probably well worn topic, but I am a complete noob here.

My personal take on the issue is that there is an intimate relationship between brain and cognition. PET scans and modern science have not disclosed the ultimate nature of consciousness (cf. especially the “hard problem” of consciousness), but there is no disputing the links between brain some areas and cognitive functions, or some horemone levels and moods etc.

For me, religious matters of the soul are adduced pretty much “sola fides” or by faith alone.
Until you yourself experience consciousness existing separately from the brain-body, then it would certainly make sense for you to conclude that consciousness is absolutely dependent upon the brain-body.

Yes, your consciousness is affected by the brain-body – as long as the brain-body is functioning on some level. After the brain-body ceases (or “dies”), then consciousness becomes dependent upon a different elemental stratum (otherwise known in religious circles as a spiritual body).
 
The brain has an obvious and apparent relationship to the mind, both as an integrator of sensory (name removed by moderator)ut, and as a controller for bodily actions. So it would be foolish for anyone to deny that the brain is intimately related to cognitive functions.

But it would be, in my view, a mistake to assume that brain activity can in itself account for all peculiarly human activities such as intellection, free will, and abstract thought.
 
The brain has an obvious and apparent relationship to the mind, both as an integrator of sensory (name removed by moderator)ut, and as a controller for bodily actions. So it would be foolish for anyone to deny that the brain is intimately related to cognitive functions.

But it would be, in my view, a mistake to assume that brain activity can in itself account for all peculiarly human activities such as intellection, free will, and abstract thought.
I think it a fallacy to identify the “mind” with the actions of the brain. The whole body is involved in mental acts.
 
Brain is equivalent to computer hardware; mind is the software it generates.

What “software" the brain *can *generate is restricted by genetic inheritance, though still capable of myriad manifestations. The brain and mind interact in a feedback-feed forward manner. Mind is capable of affecting body chemistry to some extent. This happens when we are angry, afraid and sexually aroused, for example. This is a case of the software instructing the hardware how to function. The hardware in turn influences the action of the software.

The issue of consciousness is another matter and a very profound one. In Western thought, both religious and scientific, consciousness is viewed to be an epiphenomenon of matter (in the form of a central nervous system which salient component is the brain). In Eastern metaphysical religious/philosophical thought, it is the exact opposite; i.e., matter is viewed to be an epiphenomenon of consciousness. (“Brahman” in Hindu religious parlance.) This belief system can be referred to as idealism, and there are corresponding beliefs within dissenting Western thought. Consciousness is the primal reality; matter (and the material world) is the illusion.

Although Catholic, I have often been tempted towards idealism. When one thinks about it, consciousness is the arena where everything takes place. Without it, we could not attest to the existence of anything. Some have tried to position scientific support for such a view with the emergence of quantum physics. Some interpretations of the renowned double-split experiment positions that nothing actually occurs within reality until some conscious being observes it. Thus, for example, a flipped coin is neither heads nor tails until someone observes one of the possible outcomes.

Those who have found such a seemingly metaphysical explanation for material reality to be unpalatable have positioned competing interpretations for the experiment’s seemingly bizarre ramifications. Chief among these today is the “Many-Worlds Interpretation” of quantum mechanics which states that all possible outcomes of any action (event) occur in “parallel universes,” and we cannot detect such from an empirical perspective because we too split with each different outcome of the event. Thus, we are not aware of the existence of our alternate selves in other universes, just as real as are own.

For example, those reading this note are living in an universe where President Obama won the last American presidential election. Others are in parallel universes where Senator McCain prevailed, and still others in which Senator Clinton did among myriad other possibilities.
 
Brain is equivalent to computer hardware; mind is the software it generates…Those who have found such a seemingly metaphysical explanation for material reality to be unpalatable have positioned competing interpretations for the experiment’s seemingly bizarre ramifications. Chief among these today is the “Many-Worlds Interpretation” of quantum mechanics which states that all possible outcomes of any action (event) occur in “parallel universes,” and we cannot detect such from an empirical perspective because we too split with each different outcome of the event. Thus, we are not aware of the existence of our alternate selves in other universes, just as real as are own.

For example, those reading this note are living in an universe where President Obama won the last American presidential election. Others are in parallel universes where Senator McCain prevailed, and still others in which Senator Clinton did among myriad other possibilities.
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  Don, I agree with you completely in your first point about the "Brain is equivalent to computer hardware; mind is the software it generates."

  Concerning "many worlds" hypotheses, I have trouble believing that an entire universe could be created as the result of the Supreme Court saying that Al Gore won the entire election, much like Einstein had trouble believing that the moon exists because a mouse looks at it. 

  I freely admit that I am not a scientist and quantum physics is so far beyond me that it is in the realm of "magic" by Arthur C. Clarke's definition.
 
Dear Antonivs:

The appeal of the MWI of QM lies with the fact that it preserves the concept of material reality and eliminates the need to invoke competing interpretations that many find to be precariously close to idealism, which is anathema to many hard science physicists.

Some very brainy folk, far above my level as well, swear by it. Dr. David Deutsch of Oxford is the leading proponent of it today. For any interested, his book on the topic is entitled The Fabric of Reality.

The interpretation’s creator was Hugh Everett III. Until near the end of his life, he pretty much went unsung for his radical new view of reality. His theory was largely ignored for years in favor of the prevailing one, the Copenhagen Interpretation; founded and championed by Niels Bohr, a physicist of equal renown with Einstein (and with whom he frequently clashed over much the same considerations that you noted by way of your quote from Einstein).

BTW, along with another typo in my last post, I apologize for the one that read “the double-split” experiment. That should have been: “the double-slit” experiment.

Don
 
I think it a fallacy to identify the “mind” with the actions of the brain. The whole body is involved in mental acts.
When I am contemplating the existence of God, at what point does my pinky toe become involved in this mental act?
 
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