Does anyone know any lay-movement religious orders?

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For example like the Third-order Franciscans, preferably something more traditional.
 
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Lay Dominican here. I’m not sure what you mean by this. One joins a religious order due to its charism, not traditional practices. That should be your first concern. I as a lay Dominican am a lay member of the Order of Preachers. We are not a Dominican fan club, we are Dominicans. I can participate in the traditional practices of the Order and pray the EF breviary privately, but I’m not in the Dominicans because they have their own liturgy.

EDIT: That being said, if you are interested in a group whose charism is tied specifically to the TLM, I know the ICKSP has such a group, and I think the FSSP does too.
 
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EDIT: That being said, if you are interested in a group whose charism is tied specifically to the TLM, I know the ICKSP has such a group, and I think the FSSP does too.
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Do the lay Dominicans and the lay groups of ICKSP and FSSP take vows?
 
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Do the lay Dominicans and the lay groups of ICKSP and FSSP take vows?
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I can’t say about the FSSP or ICKSP for sure, but I bet they’re like the lay Dominicans, which means that answer is no. Lay Dominicans make one promise, not a vow, and that is to live according to the Rule of St. Dominic. We don’t make vows of chastity and poverty: we can still own things and we can still get married.
 
You might want look into the Secular Order of the Discalced Carmelites. You won’t find any other order that’s more traditional or structured.

Check out their Web site for more information.
 
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It is not really clear what you are looking for. As another poster has said the charism of an order should attract you. Religious orders are not just about their liturgical practices.

There are a variety of options. Monastic orders like the Benedictines have secular oblates. Mendicant orders have third orders, some of which are for lay people.

There is also a form of religious life called secular institutes of consecrated life.
 
Certainly the Neocatechumenal Way is a lay movement. I’ve talked to some who have had very good experiences with it. It is a major time commitment. Also, there has been some controversy regarding it. It might be a great thing for some people.
 
Maybe start a traditional order even, and then seek permission to be recognized as part of one of those groups with the particular charism. I know exactly how you feel. People shouldn’t have to choose between the traditional mass and a particular way of life (started by a Saint who them self attended the Traditional Mass all their life and had it play a major royal in their daily spiritual life along with everyone else in the order up until recently.)

At one SPUC youth conference I remember a priest of the FSSP basically saying in his sermon that as young people it is our job to start religious orders if we cannot find them. I don’t know if your young, but it’s never to late in any case. In fact I think this will be the future of religious life in the church, that is all these traditional orders popping up from nowhere whilst other orders are sadly shutting down.

For clarification, the FSSP does not have a particular charism just as a diocesan priest does not. The priests of the FSSP can each have their own spirituality and they merely have the same liturgy and doctrine etc. This is not a religious order but is secular(a bit like all priests before the 60s). Some people of the same mindset desire religious life, that is to take it a step further, and I hope it goes well for them. On the contrary the ICKSP has its own spirituality which is that of St Francis de Sales.

At our local FSSP church by suggestion of one of the priests a few lay men live together and say certain prayers together and attend the mass at the church when they’re not at work. Perhaps you and few others could do this and rent a house near the FSSP? Then eventually it might develop into something more formal in the future, who knows. As long as you are guided by the priest there and do not for example start wearing a habit without permission, everything should be fine.

Goodluck
 
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People shouldn’t have to choose between the traditional mass and a particular way of life (started by a Saint who them self attended the Traditional Mass all their life and had it play a major royal in their daily spiritual life along with everyone else in the order up until recently.)
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You don’t have to. I don’t. I am free to attend the TLM. I am free to pray (albeit privately) the EF breviary and the Dominican breviary per Summorum Pontificum. There are a few trads in my chapter. But the primary reason one joins a religious order is because of its charism. I could be in a chapter with many trads now, but I could move and be in a chapter with none. If I decide then to leave the Order, then I was never in it for the right reason to begin with. Traditional practices enhance my life as a Dominican, but they’re not the center of it.
 
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You don’t have to. I don’t. I am free to attend the TLM. I am free to pray (albeit privately) the EF breviary and the Dominican breviary per Summorum Pontificum. There are a few trads in my chapter. But the primary reason one joins a religious order is because of its charism.
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I suppose that makes sense and it depends whether they want to chant the office together or privately etc. I suppose it depends what is meant by “lay religious order” and how much they intend to do as a group or not.
 
I’m a Secular Carmelite because I was attracted to the Carmelite charism of contemplative prayer. In my community there are people who are more traditional then others. We all get along pretty well.

There are five of us who go to a Traditional Latin Mass together on Sundays and then we have breakfast afterwards. They have become some of my best friends.
 
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I suppose that makes sense and it depends whether they want to chant the office together or privately etc. I suppose it depends what is meant by “lay religious order” and how much they intend to do as a group or not.
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Generally, lay Dominicans meet up together as a chapter once a month. I don’t see my fellow Dominicans very often (though that’s also due to me living a ways away). As for lay religious Order, we are a part of the Dominican Order. We’re not considered less a part of it because we aren’t nuns or priests. We have O.P. after our names (after first promises) just like the religious Dominicans do.
 
My wife and myself are professed Discalced Carmelites, Secular, OCDS.

As far as I know, the OCDS is the only 3rd order which allows vows to be taken, one year after definitive promises are made. Vows of Chastity and Obedience. The vows are optional however.
 
Do the third orders where a habit, specifically the franciscans or carmelites? Those are the two orders I’m interested in.
 
No, but Discalced Carmelites wear a large brown Scapular when attending meetings or other OCD events. We don’t wear it daily. Also, we can also be buried in them and may even be buried in a religious habit, but I don’t know any that have chose than.
 
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You could check out the Pauline Family!
The Pauline Family has many orders; one (at least) for every state in life!!!
For Single WOMAN who wants to live and work in the world with vows one can consider the Institute of Our Lady of the Annunciation.
For Single MEN and Single Deacons who wants to live and work in the world with vows one can consider the Institute of St. Gabriel the Archangel.
For DIOCESAN priest’s who want to live the vowed life the can consider the Institute of Jesus Priest.
For MARRIED/WIDOWED who want to live in the world with vows one can consider the Holy Family Institute.
Finally but NOT least is the Pauline Cooperators which is an institute similar to a third order. They are individuals who cooperate with the Pauline Family. They can be single, married, divorced, separated, or religious. They do NOT profess vows but promise to live in accordance with the gospels and to be of help to the Pauline Family.
If anyone should be interested in any of these groups please contact me and I will be more than willing to share the contact information for the group you are interested in.
I should also add that the Pauline Family also has many traditional religious orders as part of it.
 
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Look into the Trinitarians known formally as The Order of the Most Holy Trinity and of the Captives established during the Crusades. The current Trinitarian family is composed of priests, brothers, nuns and the laity. It’s purpose (or charisma?) is to contemplate the mystery of the Trinity and to perform works of mercy. It originally was created to ransom Christians who were Muslim captives. Today they pray for Christians who are suffering from persecution. There are retreat centers available in the U.S. I’ve participated in several retreats but am not a Trinitarian member.
 
I have been a Third Order Lay Carmelite since 1975. What a blessed day it was when a dear friend invited me to attend a meeting to see what it was like. I then knew I needed to be there and follow that discipline.

The Carmelite charism, prayer, attracts me, and also the Carmelite Doctors of the Church on prayer. We study those doctors, and also other Carmelite saints.

One can call for information from Third Orders that are near, and ask to attend a meeting and see what it is like.
 
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