Does Bisexuality exist?

[tbcrawford]

That is a very narrow definition you have given and is only party correct. The defininition of transgender is far wider than that.
Someone who is born, for example, a normal male (no extra or missing sexual organs) and decides to have an operation to become a female is a transgender. That is disordered and a sin.
Nobody suggested we should not pray for such people.

You should indeed pray for ‘such’ people we are ALL God’s children.Be very careful not to assume you are more important to God’s love than a transgendered person. A transgendered person is not disordered or a sin

 

[thistle]

You should indeed pray for ‘such’ people we are ALL God’s children.Be very careful not to assume you are more important to God’s love than a transgendered person. A transgendered person is not disordered or a sin

Having a sex operation to change from male to female is a sin.

 

[thistle]

2001: Response by Fr. William P. Saunders:
A reader of the Catholic Herald from Roseville, CA asked Father Saunders – a columnist from the magazine:

“I know a man who had a ‘sex change’ operation and is now a ‘woman.’ What moral teaching does the Church give on this subject?” 1,2

Father Saunders quoted a Vatican II document titled: “Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World.” It stated that:

“Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity. Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator. For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day.”

When applied to transsexuality, the document implies that a person with GID must accept their body as it is. Surgically modifying one’s body would be a serious sin.

He also quotes Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:19:

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”

The implication is that one’s body is not one’s own to be changed at will.

Finally, he quotes the Catholic Catechism, item 2297:

“Except when performed for strictly therapeutic medical reason, directly intended amputations, mutilations, and sterilizations performed on innocent persons are against the moral law.”

The process of sexual reassignment involves major changes to the persons body. For a male-to-female (MTF) transsexual, this involves removal of the penis, testicles, and scrotum. It involves hormone treatment and perhaps surgery to enlarge the breasts, removing part of the Adam’s apple, and/or changing the shape of her face. For a female-to-male (FTM) transsexual it involves the surgical removal of the breasts, uterus, ovaries, and hormone treatment, Fr. Sanders refers to this as:

“… a radical and grotesque mutilation of the body…To destroy organs purposefully that are healthy and functioning, and to try to create imitation organs which will never have the genuineness and functioning of authentic organs is gross and lacks charity.** Such surgery which purposefully destroys the bodily integrity of the person must be condemned.” **

 

[tbcrawford]

Catholics must first have sympathy for transgender individuals who are clearly hurting, confused and in need of real compassion. To feel at a very deep level that your gender is somehow a mistake, is a cross to bear that few of us can imagine. Christian charity demands that we listen and have compassion.

God, by his very nature is perfect and all He does is the absolute truth – for He is truth Himself. And only in the light of that truth and perfection, can we learn to accept our place in this world.

It is not for us to judge and decide if the transgendered person is committing a sin.It is not our place only God’s.We should pray for them that they may not suffer so much emotional pain.Until we have walked in their shoes we cannot understand the torment they suffer.

May God bless us all

 

[DevotedChild]

Catholics must first have sympathy for transgender individuals who are clearly hurting, confused and in need of real compassion. To feel at a very deep level that your gender is somehow a mistake, is a cross to bear that few of us can imagine. Christian charity demands that we listen and have compassion.

God, by his very nature is perfect and all He does is the absolute truth – for He is truth Himself. And only in the light of that truth and perfection, can we learn to accept our place in this world.

It is not for us to judge and decide if the transgendered person is committing a sin.It is not our place only God’s.We should pray for them that they may not suffer so much emotional pain.Until we have walked in their shoes we cannot understand the torment they suffer.

May God bless us all

I whole heartily agree with you.

 

[tbcrawford]

I whole heartily agree with you.

May God bless you

 

[DevotedChild]

Souls do have an innate gender, but they don’t have an innate sexuality, you appear to muddle the two in your post

actually you are false. souls do not have gender. What gives them a “gender” to say is the gender of the body of which they are housed. To further explain my point I will give examples. For example: angels and demons are soul creatures, they have no physical bodies and they have no gender. This can be used to describe all souls. Souls don’t have an innate gender nor an innate sexuality. the other poster that you are quoting from was correct.

 

[LaSainte]

Whilst there is a scale of such a nature, the scale does still allow for complete homosexuality or complete heterosexuality. So saying that “everyone is a little bit bisexual” is very much incorrect.

Bisexuality does very much exist just as homosexuality exists. That doesn’t mean it’s not a disordered inclination or justify same-sex relations but denying the existence of bisexuality is like saying alcoholism doesn’t exist. It’s just plain ignorant.

I think Ron White put it rather succinctly-I will paraphrase here because it would not be appropriate for this forum. He essentially said that when anyone is watching a love scene in a movie, it is a real turn-off if one of the parties is unattractive, even if the unattractive party is of the same sex. We all want BOTH parties to be attractive, hence, we all have a little bit of homosexuality in us, otherwise it wouldn’t matter at all as long as the party of the opposite sex was attractive.

No matter how “heterosexual” someone is, there is really no such thing as “total” heterosexuality.

 

[DevotedChild]

I think Ron White put it rather succinctly-I will paraphrase here because it would not be appropriate for this forum. He essentially said that when anyone is watching a love scene in a movie, it is a real turn-off if one of the parties is unattractive, even if the unattractive party is of the same sex. We all want BOTH parties to be attractive, hence, we all have a little bit of homosexuality in us, otherwise it wouldn’t matter at all as long as the party of the opposite sex was attractive.

No matter how “heterosexual” someone is, there is really no such thing as “total” heterosexuality.

exactly

 

[Corki]

actually you are false. souls do not have gender. What gives them a “gender” to say is the gender of the body of which they are housed. To further explain my point I will give examples. For example: angels and demons are soul creatures, they have no physical bodies and they have no gender. This can be used to describe all souls. Souls don’t have an innate gender nor an innate sexuality. the other poster that you are quoting from was correct.

Angels do not have souls. They are pure spirit. Souls are human.

As for human sould gender, the CCC says

382 “Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity” (GS 14 § 1). The doctrine of the faith affirms that the spiritual and immortal soul is created immediately by God.

As a unity, it would seem that both the soul and the body would have gender.

 

[Mudgely]

It is an acquired condition that exists in thoroughly selfish people who think only of their own sexual pleasure. It is a thoroughly sinful condition that contradicts everything the Church teaches about the sexual act. Anyone who denies this is copping out for their own perversity and selfishness

Now, that is just plain silly, and disregards the evidence. Sexuality runs on a continuum. It is not under the control of the person. Which impulses are acted on is volitional, but not sexual orientation.

 

[Mudgely]

However, the practising transgendered and the practising homosexuals are disordered and commit grave sins by their actions.

What in the world does homosexuality have to do with transgender identification? They are not even remotely connected.

 

[Aelred_Minor]

What in the world does homosexuality have to do with transgender identification? They are not even remotely connected.

That’s going a bit far. Certainly not all transgender people were homosexuals to begin with, but many of them were, and we see organizations giving themselves acronyms like LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender). The phenomena of homosexuality and transgenderism obviously do not always (or even usually, at least in the case of homosexuality) occur together but they are at least “remotely” connected.

True hermaproditism, in which it truly is difficult to decide whether a child is male or female rather than just a male with some female attributes or vice versa, is very rare. In such cases it would presumably be possible for the parents to make one decision and the child to later decide it was the wrong decision. In many if not most cases though transgendered people were clearly male or female to begin with and decided they “felt” like someone of the opposite sex. This certainly was the case with both the people I have known who chose to have gender reassignment surgery. Both were ordinary biological males (one exclusively homosexual, the other I’m not so sure about as he had had a wife and children) who decided the wanted to be women and had surgery to attempt to accomplish this.

The thing is, men and women are not just sexless ghosts inside of biological machines. Sex isn’t something like hair color that can just change. The soul is the substantial form of the body and a man, for example, remains a man even if he is a castrated man.

 

[George_Stegmeir]

Now, that is just plain silly, and disregards the evidence. Sexuality runs on a continuum. It is not under the control of the person. Which impulses are acted on is volitional, but not sexual orientation.

My comments have nothing to do with transexuality or, irrisistable sexual urges, but doe have to do with the practices of those who want to enjoy the “the best of all possible worlds” in their misguided, lascivious opinion.
You can easily see these people “cruising” for and indulging in sex in almost every US city that allows porno book stores/peep shows and pornographic movie houses. When they have satisfied their lust, many go home to their wives and families.

 

[maders]

I can attest to battling feelings for both sexes all of my life. I have never acted upon them, but I have always had same sex attration even more so than male attraction.
I am a woman who is 60 years old. We all have female and male hormones. So I say yes…again from my own experience in life.
maders:shrug:

 

[Mudgely]

My comments have nothing to do with transexuality or, irrisistable sexual urges, but doe have to do with the practices of those who want to enjoy the “the best of all possible worlds” in their misguided, lascivious opinion.
You can easily see these people “cruising” for and indulging in sex in almost every US city that allows porno book stores/peep shows and pornographic movie houses. When they have satisfied their lust, many go home to their wives and families.

Sexuality is a continuum. The obsession with gender distinction is disordered thinking. I can’t believe the amount of energy devoted here to something of minor consequence. “Sound and fury, signifying nothing.”